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Paradise
chrissiela:
I see it much that way, Daniel.
Entering into that city, that New Jerusalem, leaving the darkness (NIGHT) behind and entering into the "Day", being seated with Him... that where He is we may be also...etc, etc, etc.
Chrissie
chrissiela:
--- Quote from: mercie ---This is Interesting Ray mentions this here
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DON'T "assume" that "paradise" means heaven. Why would you do that? Is there any Scriptural justification for that? NO, no there isn't. In what way do the Scriptures liken paradis to heaven? Most theologians assume things that AREN'T there, and then teach the absolute opposite of what things ARE in the Scriptures. "Paradise" is a Persian word that means "park or garden."
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2Co 12:2-4 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter
This is not the paradise Ray describes to Scott.
It would be interested to see Rays response in Full to this.
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Hi mercie,
Yeah, I completely skimmed right OVER that part... missing it completely until I went back and re-read it. Maybe I SHOULD write to Ray, just for clarification on that?? As it seems to me that there is a reference to heaven in relation to paradise (as I stated in my first post)... I just didn't notice, at first, that he said there was none??
Chrissie
chrissiela:
--- Quote from: eutychus ---perhaps third heaven means complete?
perhaps paul saw heaven in its completeness
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Certainly he "heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter".... must have been SOMETHING ELSE!! :D
Chrissie
eutychus:
only three hits Click Verse for Commentary Notes
Lu 23:43
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
2Co 12:4
How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
Re 2:7
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
which comes from:
Pardec TWOT - 1808
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
par-dace' Noun Masculine
Definition
park, preserve, enclosed garden,((( forest ))) :wink:
Isa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called (((trees)) of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
Eze 17:24 And all the trees of the field shall know that I the LORD have brought down the high tree, have exalted the low tree, have dried up the green tree, and have made the dry tree to flourish: I the LORD have spoken and have done [it].
sooooo much more to this
love ya's
euty
eutychus:
--- Quote from: chrissiela ---
--- Quote from: eutychus ---perhaps third heaven means complete?
perhaps paul saw heaven in its completeness
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Certainly he "heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter".... must have been SOMETHING ELSE!! :D
Chrissie
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