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first or second resurrection
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: lauriellen on June 22, 2009, 10:54:02 AM ---Marques,
so, are you saying that Rev. 20:5 should not be in our bibles? Because i always understood that the "rest" of the dead would not be resurrected until after the "1000 years were finished".......
and are you also saying that the second resurrection will be "shortly" after the first? during the millenial reign?
thanks,
lauri
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Hello Lauri,
1. Yes, that excerpt of Rev 20:5 is not in the original manuscripts so that is why it should not be in bibles...God inspired the scriptures (original manuscripts) not bibles [2 Tim 3:16]
2. The 'millenial reign' IS Christ and His Elect reigning, judging, & blessing the nations...I don't know know how 'short' a time they are between each other (or even IF there is a length of time between the two); the scriptures don't say...but the scriptures are clear as to why and what purpose the 2 resurrections are for.
Ray covers this throughout his Lake of Fire series, particularly parts 12 & the 'Hell installments' (Parts 16+) as well as 'What is the Gospel of the Kingdom' bible conference study (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,6142.0.html)...let me know if you need further assistance. :)
Marques
Kat:
Hi lauriellen,
Php 1:6 And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
God is not constrained by time and circumstances, like saying maybe if only someone would have had a little more time they would have made it, no. God is sovereign and in control of every single thing that happen in everybody's lives. Now as that verse states God will complete/finish what He has started in His Elect. He is in control, so He knows exactly what He has planned to happen down through the course of time for each of the Elect to complete them. He even has it planned out when the exact right number of Elect He wants will be reached and completed at the end of the age. Everything has been planned out precisely from the beginning and those in the first resurrection or the second were intended to be there.
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, "My counsel shall stand,
And I will do all My pleasure,'
No one has barely missed being one of the Elect, either you will be according to God's will or you won't. We don't know for sure, but He does. So don't worry about everybody else God will take care of them exactly as it needs to be, whether it's the first or second resurrection. To have been given life and breath is a miracle and we know everyone is assured to be saved. God loves everyone very much, more than we can know and He will save all, just some now and the rest later.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,9502.0.html -------
John 3:16 For God so loves the world.
Not He loved, past tense. He's still loving, it's not come to an end. It's not like used to love the world, but now He doesn't, God still loves the world. Now they got it right in the rest of the verse. For God so loves the world…“ then, for whosoever believed on Him. No, “whosoever believeth” present progressive. He so loves those that believes and they should not be perishing, but be having eonian life.
John 3:16 For God so loves the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not be perishing, but be having eonian life.
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There is the resurrection from the dead, there is no Scripture that says resurrections. The Elect will be raised before the rest or first.
Rev 20:6 Happy and holy is he who is having part in the first(4413) rising again; over these the second death hath not authority, but they shall be priests of God and of the Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
G4413 foremost (in time, place, order or importance): - before, beginning, best, chief (-est), first (of all), former.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Kat on June 22, 2009, 11:41:47 AM ---There is the resurrection from the dead, there is no Scripture that says resurrections. The Elect will be raised before the rest or first.
Rev 20:6 Happy and holy is he who is having part in the first(4413) rising again; over these the second death hath not authority, but they shall be priests of God and of the Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
G4413 foremost (in time, place, order or importance): - before, beginning, best, chief (-est), first (of all), former.
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Thank you Kat...I hope I did not cause confusion by saying 'resurrections'...I was differentiating between the resurrection of the just and resurrection of the unjust. [Dan 12:2, John 5:29].
Thanks,
Marques
Kat:
Hi Marques,
I was not correcting your statement as I could see what you meant. I thought that might help lauriellen understand what the Scriptures says concerning the resurrection.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
lauriellen:
thank you so much for your responses. I can see that i have alot more reading to do, but you have definately shed ALOT of light on this subject for me.
It is so AMAZING to me, that each time my eyes are opened to a new (to me) truth, it is like finding a gold nugget in a dirt pile! such unexpected joy! I feel like i am getting to know God a little better each time and coming into a deeper understanding of His plan. My "flesh" self gets hung up at times on "fleshly" things, but i am being led to see that God has got it all under control. I wish that everyone could "get it".
thanks again,
lauriellen
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