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Fear or Reverence; does it Matter?.
aqrinc:
To make this clearer though, The Scriptures do address both Fear and Reverence. Below are three examples of why fear is very real in some cases.
2Co 12: 20-21 (ASV)
20 For I fear, lest by any means, when I come, I should find you not such as I would, and should myself be found of you such as ye would not; lest by any means there should be strife, jealousy, wraths, factions, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults;
21 lest again when I come my God should humble me before you, and I should mourn for many of them that have sinned heretofore, and repented not of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they committed.
Php 2: 12-13 (ASV)
12 So then, my beloved, even as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for (unless you do understand) it is God who worketh in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure.
Heb 10: 26-30 (MKJV)
26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27 but a certain fearful looking for judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (note: the adversaries)
28 He who despised Moses' Law died without mercy on the word of two or three witnesses.
29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy of punishment, the one who has trampled the Son of
God, and who has counted the blood of the covenant with which he was sanctified an unholy thing, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know Him who has said, "Vengeance belongs to Me, I will repay, says the Lord." And again, "The Lord shall judge His people."
george. :)
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: aqr on July 16, 2009, 11:18:45 PM ---Php 2: 12-13 (ASV)
12 So then, my beloved, even as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for (unless you do understand) it is God who worketh in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure.
--- End quote ---
George,
'For' means because or 'the reason why' NOT 'unless' or another alternative...we must work out our own salvation with fear & trembling because it is all up to God, not of ourselves.
Email reply from Ray (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1030.msg8716.html#msg8716):
Dear Steve:
Yes, indirectly, all that God accomplishes through us depends on us doing what He wants us to do. But it is GOD, not we, who bring about the doing. This is the Truth of Scripture, however, few in the world give a hoot about what the Scriptures say:
"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION with fear and trembling"
WHY?
"For [for means 'because'] it is GOD [Who? GOD! Men? No, GOD!] which works in you BOTH TO WILL AND TO DO of His good pleasure" (Phil. 2:12-13).
Is there a church anywhere on earth that believes this Scripture? I know of none.
God be with you,
Ray
Email reply from Ray (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2199.msg17726.html#msg17726):
COMMENT: "ALL is of God" (II Cor. 5:18, Rom. 11:36, etc.). Salvation is incorporated into the process of living. We are made to live. We have to live. We HAVE to make decisions and choices in life: it is forced upon us by the very nature of things. But although we are made to live out our indiviedual experiences of life, behind it all is God. We "work out our own salvation with fear and trembling," not because we have the ability to do so independent of God, but rather because of what we are told in the next verse: "For [for means BECAUSE--here is the REASON we work out our own salvation]...For it is GOD which workies in you BOTH TO WILL AND TO DO of His good pleasure" (Phil. 2:13).
God be with you,
Ray
Email reply from Ray (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,373.msg3111.html#msg3111):
I have people asking me to "Please explain the Bible to me, Ray." Or: "Show me how to do God's perfect will so that I will be happy and have purpose in my life."
I can't really do these things. Here is what Paul instructs us: "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence [Paul was now in prison in Rome, and would never see these Philippians again] , WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING." Why?
"For [because] it is GOD which works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasre" (Phil. 2:12-12).
This sounds like a contradiction to most people. The reason that we "work out our own slavation with fear and trembling" is because it is ALL OF GOD.
We cannot look to our own devices or works--only God can and will save us. You MUST rely on God IN FAITH for all of these things in your life. God will CAUSE you to work all these things out in your life. I will help as much as lies within me, but I cannot give you all the answers in an email, and I have too many email to write long essay type answers. Hope you understand.
God be with you,
Ray
Thanks,
Marques
bunnylife:
This scriptures comes to mind when reading all of the above.
I John 4:17-18 (NKJV)
17 Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world. 18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment (punishment). But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.
For God is Love.
When is the day of judgment, now judgment has come to the house of God. As new creatures in Christ we are learning to revere Daddy God in His awesome plan for us and the world. For myself as I think how could this scripture be true when fable hell was fearful, terrible ... and like you I had to swallow it. It didn't make sense. Now it makes sense to me as I know it is God of Love doing it all.
In His Joy,
Bunni
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