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daywalker:
believerx,
i could add immeasurable value here but i am not allowed. i have been shut down.
Whaddu you mean you're not allowed? Nobody is stopping you from sharing your opinions, beliefs and God-given knowledge. There's a difference between sharing one's knowledge and experiences, and acting as a "teacher". This is what the forum rules try to keep out; people who want to come in and claim themselves as our 'teachers'. But there's nothing wrong with sharing the truths you've learned--there's no reason to hesitate or feel "shut down" here.
The only problem I saw with your comments is that it appeared, to me, that you are acting superior to us. If this is not how you meant it, then I do apologize. But that's how your comments sounded.
so what if i say i am never wrong?
There's only One who is "never wrong" and that's God. Even Christ Himself was offended when someone called Him "Good Teacher". [Matthew 19:17]. So, that's what's wrong with that... taking a stance that even Jesus didn't take.
how does anyone really know what godly humility really looks like - when the only thing you can compare it with is your own limited experience based on the way dumb animals behave?
I don't know who this was directed to, but I, for the record, base my knowledge of Godly humility on how Jesus Christ acted; and how His Apostles acted after their conversion. I feel I've gotten pretty good at recognizing a person who is genuinely seeking to be like Christ, and a person who is trying to draw glory to themselves, and raise themselves up above those around him. [aka. "the beast" "the antichrist"... I'm getting really good at recognizing this guy... especially when I see him in the mirror...]
But above all, we aren't your enemies here. Again, if I've misunderstood the intentions of your comments, then I do apologize. I am human, and I have no problem admitting to making mistakes as I do them all too often.
God Bless you, brother,
Daywalker. 8)
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: believerx on July 28, 2009, 12:26:30 AM ---how does anyone really know what godly humility really looks like - when the only thing you can compare it with is your own limited experience based on the way dumb animals behave?
paul called the galatians fools.
he said the corinthians had NO KNOWLEDGE OF GOD.
james said the 12 tribes he was writing to ( christians) were a bunch of murderous adulteresses that showed evil partiality.
to equate gentleness in an earthly sense with true humility is unscriptural. sorry that is just a fact.
i am humble. i have been humble for quite sometime now. but you would not know that about me. someone asked if there were apostles and i gave a detailed scriptural answer. based on what i proved to be a errant statement.
( that apostles dont call themselves apostles!)
so what if i say i am never wrong? i also dont go beyond what God has shown me-
( Ro. 15:18 For I will not presume to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me, resulting in the obedience of the Gentiles by word and deed...)
and He has shown me A LOT! but only in comparison to what i have seen from everyone else i have encountered, including Ray Smith. so what?
but because of the forum rules that i agreed to, i am not allowed to teach.
but doesnt everyone really " teach" when they give their opinion?
i could add immeasurable value here but i am not allowed. i have been shut down.
regards,
a nobody
2 cor 12:11
2 cor 12:11
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Your answers where not "scriptural" believer to the point at hand. You didn't address the matter. All you did was re-assure us that paul was indeed an apostle of God. We never doubted this. This was not what was in question.
Those who boast about "being humble" are people i am very weary of and careful about.
I always said, the truth stands out for itself. The truth speaks for itself. When something is true, no one can deny it without looking like a complete fool.
The same goes for being humble, if you are so humble, this godly trait which you claim to possess will show for itself. However, one who boasts such a trait, is one i am vigiliantly watchful of.
Furthermore, why boast about how much you know? Why boast about what "Christ has shown you?" Don't you know that what you have been shown is not because of anything you've done or anything you are but rather because of Gods love and grace towards you? Why would you use this as a weapon against your brothers and sisters? That is terrible. Something no one should ever do. Have you ever heard ray boast about how much he knows?
See, i personally see ray as a spiritual giant, atleast amongst us here and no, i'm not idolizing him or putting him on a pedestal. The reason however i do see him as thus is because hes never boasted about what he knows. He doesn't put down other people, he doesn't claim to never be wrong. He has always shown the utmost of care and love for all of God's creation. Wether they are "dumb animals" or intelligent men like richard dawkins.
I'm not trying to come off rude or mean, but i cannot sit here and claim to agree with you.
I am still shocked that you would persist this attitude of "so what if i say i am never wrong? i also dont go beyond what God has shown me"
That is just.. to me thats a red flag. We are all human and therefor all falible. You are not above this.
The carnal mind can be very decieving and the human heart is exceedingly week. Becareful.
I say this all to you with the utmost of love.
In Christ,
Alex
bluzman:
how does anyone really know what godly humility really looks like - when the only thing you can compare it with is your own limited experience based on the way dumb animals behave?
Hello Believerx,
You could probably run circles around me when it comes to knowledge of the Bible, I don't doubt. There are people here, that compared to them I am a child. I would care to comment on a small part of your post. I have always felt that God's Name should
be capitalized. If this was unintentional on your part then so be it.
I do have very limited experience of the Gift of Christ's saving Grace and that I cannot deny. Believe me , I very experienced with
lying, cheating, stealing, hating-murdering, lusting, swearing and cursing and breaking God's Spiritual Laws thousands and thousands and
thousands of times. After many years, God is slowly removing these evil character trait from me. and each time I get that ruler across
my backside it causes humility and shame. How much is still within me, and how far I have to be taken is unknown. What I do understand
is that I have a very long way to go.
Sometimes I feel as if dumb animals are closer to the Creator than myself. When I look in the mirror I see a not so dumb beast. I certainly did not post this to offend you in any way my friend.
In His Name,
Bluzman
aqrinc:
--- Quote from: believerx on July 28, 2009, 12:26:30 AM ---how does anyone really know what godly humility really looks like - when the only thing you can compare it with is your own limited experience based on the way dumb animals behave?
paul called the galatians fools.
he said the corinthians had NO KNOWLEDGE OF GOD.
james said the 12 tribes he was writing to ( christians) were a bunch of murderous adulteresses that showed evil partiality.
to equate gentleness in an earthly sense with true humility is unscriptural. sorry that is just a fact.
i am humble. i have been humble for quite sometime now. but you would not know that about me. someone asked if there were apostles and i gave a detailed scriptural answer. based on what i proved to be a errant statement.
( that apostles dont call themselves apostles!)
so what if i say i am never wrong? i also dont go beyond what God has shown me-
( Ro. 15:18 For I will not presume to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me, resulting in the obedience of the Gentiles by word and deed...)
and He has shown me A LOT! but only in comparison to what i have seen from everyone else i have encountered, including Ray Smith. so what?
but because of the forum rules that i agreed to, i am not allowed to teach.
but doesnt everyone really " teach" when they give their opinion?
i could add immeasurable value here but i am not allowed. i have been shut down.
regards,
a nobody
2 cor 12:11
2 cor 12:11
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This may be time for a bit of timber clearing, a blind man can stumble into a ditch. If it is deep enough and he has no one to pick him up, how will he get out. GOD uses the foolishness of preaching to catch the wise in their own craftiness, are you wise enough to understand this.
Please respect another man's house and do not come in and start throwing mud on all his things. So far you have slighted and sometimes just insulted with crass words, things you should understand but show no true understanding of. The fruit in this tree can always use water; pruning comes from our teacher and Chastising and Grace, from The Holy Spirit Of GOD And our Lord Jesus Christ.
Many that come here would like to teach, if that is so, learn first then go and find your own following. Read the Scriptures below and see if you think it right what you are doing.
Mat 7: 1-29 (Revised Version)
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured unto you.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me cast out the mote out of thine eye; and lo, the beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast your pearls before the swine, lest haply they trample them under their feet, and turn and rend you.
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 for every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9 Or what man is there of you, who, if his son shall ask him for a loaf, will give him a stone;
10 or if he shall ask for a fish, will give him a serpent?
11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
12 All things therefore whatsoever ye would that men should do unto you, even so do ye also unto them: for this is the law and the prophets.
13 Enter ye in by the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many be they that enter in thereby.
14 For narrow is the gate, and straitened the way, that leadeth unto life, and few be they that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves.
16 By their fruits ye shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but the corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Therefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 [b]Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.[/b]
The FATHER'S WILL Is, That We Love GOD First, and that we Love one another (each other); not put down one another by using revealed knowledge as a club on the brethren.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out devils, and by thy name do many mighty works?
Mighty works are great, if they bring forth fruit fit for The kingdom. Are you doing this; where?.
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Every one therefore which heareth these words of mine, and doeth them, shall be likened unto a wise man, which built his house upon the rock:
25 and the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon the rock.
26 And every one that heareth these words of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 and the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and smote upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall thereof.
28 And it came to pass, when Jesus ended these words, the multitudes were astonished at his teaching:
29 for he taught them as one having authority, and not as their scribes.
Rom 12: 3-9 (EMTV)
3 For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself too highly, beyond what you should think, but to think soberly, as God has imparted to each one a measure of faith.
4 For just as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function,
5 so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another.
6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace having been given to us, let us use them: whether prophecy, let us prophecy according to the proportion of faith;
7 whether ministry, let us use it in our ministry; whether teaching; in the teaching;
8 whether exhorting, in the exhortation; whether sharing, with simplicity; whether leading, with diligence; whether showing mercy, with cheerfulness.
9 Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor that which is evil. Cling to that which is good.
george. :)
hillsbororiver:
George, Bluzman, Alex & Daywalker,
You have all made some valid salient points in regard to this incredible post by believerx.
I will make an addition in the hope that my contribution will also be food for thought.
--- Quote from: believerx on July 28, 2009, 12:26:30 AM ---how does anyone really know what godly humility really looks like - when the only thing you can compare it with is your own limited experience based on the way dumb animals behave?
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This is what we have;
Joh 13:15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
1Pe 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
believerx, where on earth did you get the idea that anyone's idea of humility stems from comparing ourselves to "dumb animals" do you have a quote or an example?
The only One we attain to and compare ourselves to (all fall short, even you brother) is Jesus Christ.
--- Quote from: believerx on July 28, 2009, 12:26:30 AM ---
paul called the galatians fools.
he said the corinthians had NO KNOWLEDGE OF GOD.
james said the 12 tribes he was writing to ( christians) were a bunch of murderous adulteresses that showed evil partiality.
to equate gentleness in an earthly sense with true humility is unscriptural. sorry that is just a fact.
--- End quote ---
Yes, Paul indeed called out those in the churches because they had fallen away, lost their first love and were more concerned about being accepted even praised by men rather than serving God. Perhaps you feel you are exempt from these other admonitions written by Paul (inspired by God's Spirit) but if I were you I would meditate on these Words in a humble prayerful spirit.
1Th 2:7 But we were gentle among you, even as a nurse cherisheth her children:
2Ti 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
By "teach" you might also consider teaching by example, the example of not stirring strife, dealing with people in a spirit of patience rather than confrontation, especially to those who have welcomed you into fellowship.
--- Quote from: believerx on July 28, 2009, 12:26:30 AM ---
i am humble. i have been humble for quite sometime now. but you would not know that about me. someone asked if there were apostles and i gave a detailed scriptural answer. based on what i proved to be a errant statement.
( that apostles dont call themselves apostles!)
so what if i say i am never wrong? i also dont go beyond what God has shown me-
--- End quote ---
How can someone claim to be humble and in the same paragraph say they are never wrong? You are correct about me not knowing about your humbleness when your own words (of never being wrong) betray you?
It is easily discerned that you are following your heart, but where exactly is your heart leading you?
Pro 12:23 A prudent man concealeth knowledge: but the heart of fools proclaimeth foolishness.
Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
--- Quote from: believerx on July 28, 2009, 12:26:30 AM ---
i could add immeasurable value here but i am not allowed. i have been shut down.
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Brother, I believe you actually have added immeasurable value here, just not in the way you intended.
Peace,
Joe
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