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free will
ez2u:
after reading Marques and Marky post I believe free will is an illusion of mankind. It isn't real. I think this because of what Jesus said " I do the will of My Father"
That makes me think this where the answer is and the illusion or delusion of manking ( its funny as i am typing this post i keep hitting the g instead of the d in mankind, interesting...) :o Free will is an illusion of our thinking it isn't in the Father nor the Son because it isn't real. My question was stupid full of what could have been controversy. Thank God it was handle in a Godly fashion. We can have a intellect mind and be so ungodly. Forgive me I don't know if i ready to post i need to grow more. peggy
Craig:
I disagree Marques. A statement of fact is not also a statement of limitation to God.
Free will for us is a myth, because we cannot do anything that God has not willed and caused, we are limited by Gods will for our lives and teachings in our lives.
Who limits God?
We are being formed in the image of God "Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil". We know good and evil but we cannot control good and evil. God can. God is a just loving and has all the attributes he tells us in his word. God will never change, he is the same and will never change. But that doesn't mean He couldn't? If he couldn't, then who/what is limiting Him?
No one or nothing limits God, He limits Himself the same as we will learn to do as we become like Him. There will be a time when we not only know good and evil, but will only do good and we will not change, because we will be perfected in His image.
Is God "free" to do otherwise? Of course, but will he? Not a chance, and you can take that to the bank.
What I mean by the box in my previous post is, all the words we have written to describe God only use our human words and understanding to attribute our feelings and emotions to God puts Him into a box that He cannot possibly fit in.
Craig
Ninny:
Peggy, you know if we didn't always do things a little wrong and a little immature at times we would never grow, we would never see the beauty in God' amazing love!! there is now therefore no condemnation! If there is now no condemnation, then we shouldn't condemn ourselves..
God's love surpasses any and all blunders we feel we have made along the way! If I counted every stupid mistake and stupid, immature thing I've done in my life, woo! You just keep walking, girl...You stand right up and keep on going, and just keep on going.....God will do the rest in you!! If it wasn't so...I'd have been gone a long time ago....
Kathy ;)
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Craig on July 20, 2009, 02:36:03 PM ---No one or nothing limits God, He limits Himself the same as we will learn to do as we become like Him.
--- End quote ---
I think this is the root in where/how we disagree...I believe who & what He is (Love, Holy, etc.) limits Him, not freely but caused by His Holy Character. I do not believe He can 'freely' be what He is not (ie. sinful, corruptible, etc.).
Although we disagree, I respect your opinion...knowing you from time on the forum, I know you revere and respect our Lord and this is what you believe regarding Him. I can respect that...we all only know in part [1 Cor 13:9].
Thanks,
Marques
Marky Mark:
Does Father have a free will?
As Ray states,we just do not know.
THE FATHER'S WILL? . . . . . . . . . . . Mobile Conference 2006
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3720.0.html
We read these things, God doesn’t change, but nobody thinks about it. It’s very important that God does never change and will never change. Why do you think that’s important? Would it be better if He was flexible and changed a little bit? You don’t improve perfection. Was God always perfect? I don’t know.
We learn. Did God ever learn? Now He knows everything, but did He ever learn? I don’t know. It doesn’t say. But we know this, by the time He made the creation He either always was or reached perfection. How could an imperfect God (I don’t mean flawed or evil, but a God that was not perfect), how could He make a creation of humanity and say I’ve still got to work out a few bugs, in this theory of what we are doing and where we are going?
Do understand I say these things humbly, I don’t mean to be the less bit demeaning, when I say I don’t know if God ever learned. We know, that He knows now. So how do we know if He learned? He doesn’t tell us. But in one sense it doesn’t matter, all we know is He’s perfect. How does He know He’s perfect? Well in order to claim perfection, you have to know what it is. He would have to have such a vast knowledge of everything, to know whether there ever existed a possibility of ever becoming better than He is. Think about that. He knows so much, I mean one centimeter of brain could contain trillions and trillions of encyclopedias on end. He knows so much, that He knows not only there is no one else like Him, He says I’m the only God,” (1 Tim. 1:17; Jude 1:25). There is nothing better He can achieve than what He is. He’s perfect, now whether He always was or achieved it, there your brain only goes so far.
Peace...Mark
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