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Ninny:
Claudia, someday everyone may realize that our musicman 8) does have a very good mind under all that chaos!!  :o 'nuff said!
Kathy ;)

Astrapho:

--- Quote ---he can't do things that r that stupid.
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The best answer to that ridiculous little paradox.

daywalker:

--- Quote from: Astrapho on July 20, 2009, 12:42:02 PM ---
--- Quote ---he can't do things that r that stupid.
--- End quote ---

The best answer to that ridiculous little paradox.

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I second that! Haha.

Craig:
My opinion is that as far as puny man goes, it is obvious that we have no free will.  To try and box God into the same notion is ridiculous.  God's ways are not our ways and we should not try to attribute our knowledge and notions to God.

Craig

mharrell08:
Our God and Saviour, testifying about Himself (just a few of many):

Ps 145:17  The LORD is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.

James 1:17  Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Malachi 3:6  For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Heb 13:8  Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever ['express image of the Father' (2 Cor 4:4, Col 1:15)]

Eph 1:11  In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:


I don't believe it is 'boxing God in' when we believe and trust what He tells us.

God tells us He is inherently Good, Righteous, Holy, All-Sovereign, Love, Patient & Longsuffering, Perfect, etc...we could never list all the greatness and magnitude of our loving Father in Heaven, nor His Faithful Son and our Elder Brother, Jesus. And one other very important attribute we are told is God never changes, EVER.

But this does not mean God does not DO anything...All is of God, and He is the cause of all. He is changing all of us from our natural, carnal state to the image of His wonderful Son. That is a great, wonderful change in itself.

But who and what God is, that is what God tells us DOES NOT CHANGE. He was always Love, is Love, and will never stop being Love (is/was/will be).

Is He 'bound' by this? Is He 'free' to be any other way? Is He 'free' to be evil instead of Good...is He 'free' to be hate instead of Love?

This is why 'free will' is an absolute myth...it attempts to give leeway that God will change from who and what He is...from Love & Perfection to 'whatever He frees Himself to be'.

But God Himself stops all of that by stating that He, Himself, works all through the counsel of His Will...that doesn't just mean His plan & intention, but who & what He is, as His plan & intention is a direct result of who & what He is...a Patient, Loving God who is Holy & Righteous in all His doing.

Remember what He told Moses: God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM [Exodus 3:14]. Is He 'free' to be otherwise?

If He is 'free' to be otherwise, then He isn't who He says He is all throughout His own Word.


Marques

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