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hillsbororiver:
This topic is certainly one that my puny mind with its limited vocabulary cannot even offer an opinion on. I mean to try and put into words the depth, wisdom and power of God Almighty and what He might have been thinking or perhaps being limited in some way or another (what could possibly limit Him unless it was Him so if He is only limited by His own Self is He actually limited?).

That's just me, I am still stuck by the old question;

"Can God create a rock so big and heavy even He can't lift it?  ???

;D

Peace,

Joe

Akira329:
It boggles my mind to think that God had a plan.
I'm assuming here:
He knew what the end would be or he knew what end he wanted to accomplish.
His wisdom comes from the means in which to accomplish that end.
I guess you could say only God's end justify his means.
I hope I'm making sense.

I agree Joe but I think his wisdom wouldn't allow it! That sounds silly too!
Why would he create such a rock?
Why wouldn't he create such a rock?
In all his wisdom wouldn't he eventually create a means in which to lift it?

Antaiwan

musicman:
Well, the rock would be in space where there is no gravity anyway, then I suppose He would be able to lift infinate weight.  Although to lift, one must be standing on a platform that can support the weight lifted.  Such a platform would have to be quite massive.  So there would be gravity.  But can't God just take the gravity away and lift with all of his might?  Again, it wouldn't take any strength if there is no gravity and there is a platform to push off of.  But then, the rock will just go up and never come down.  And there's no way god can construct a platform on the other side of the rock which is now going up.  god would have to stand upside down to stop it or it would go up and up forever.  And he hates standing upside down.  Besides, he'd just fall because in his infinate wisdom he did away with gravity.  So god has limits.  he can't do things that r that stupid.

cjwood:

--- Quote from: musicman on July 18, 2009, 10:25:08 PM --- he can't do things that r that stupid.

--- End quote ---
ok musicman, i was gonna reply "our musicman has been sipping the ole kool-aid again, BUT, your last statemnt was actually one of the sanest things you've ever said. so, if it took kool-aid to bring about that bit of wisdom, i say drink up my brother!

claudia

Beloved:
Isa 46:10  Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

God is never limited, Musicman He doe not have to even deal with a rock...he just has to speak the Word that starts the process...He made the Laws for this universe....start a chain reaction and the rock will be formed. All things physical can be changed  In the beginning He created the heaven and earth...from there everything was then formed.

 Isa 55:8  For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD

Mankind are like children: just because they think they see something, they assume they can do something just as well and sometimes better.

Ecc 12:8 Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity.
 
beloved

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