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Daniel:
In Ecc it says we are all of one breath. I understand that Adam being given this breath made him a "living soul" right? In Him we live move and have our being even though those He might have speaking to had yet to receive the Holy Spirit.
When Jesus breathed on His disciples and the recieved the Holy Spirit, is this at all counted as a "second breath"?
Especially considering that "HIS Spirit" bears witness with "our spirit" that we are the children of God.
I'm trying to sort out some thoughts and would appreciate other perspectives.
Peace
Daniel
orion77:
Daniel, interesting thought. Many scriptures speak of the breath of man and the breath of God.
(Gen 6:17) And I, behold, I do bring the flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; everything that is in the earth shall die.
All of us who are brought out of the sea to the earth, shall be destroyed, where the breath of life, notice, that is under heaven. This death of physical self must die to receive the breath of God who is Spirit.
(Job 32:8) But there is a spirit in man, And the breath of the Almighty giveth them understanding.
(Psa 33:6) By the word of Jehovah were the heavens made, And all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
(Psa 104:29) Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled; Thou takest away their breath, they die, And return to their dust.
(Psa 104:30) Thou sendest forth thy Spirit, they are created; And thou renewest the face of the ground.
(Isa 2:22) Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils; for wherein is he to be accounted of?
(Isa 30:27) Behold, the name of Jehovah cometh from far, burning with his anger, and in thick rising smoke: his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue is as a devouring fire;
(Isa 30:28) and his breath is as an overflowing stream, that reacheth even unto the neck, to sift the nations with the sieve of destruction: and a bridle that causeth to err shall be in the jaws of the peoples.
(Jer 4:30) And thou, when thou art made desolate, what wilt thou do? Though thou clothest thyself with scarlet, though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou enlargest thine eyes with paint, in vain dost thou make thyself fair; thy lovers despise thee, they seek thy life.
(Jer 4:31) For I have heard a voice as of a woman in travail, the anguish as of her that bringeth forth her first child, the voice of the daughter of Zion, that gaspeth for breath, that spreadeth her hands, saying, Woe is me now! for my soul fainteth before the murderers.
(Lam 4:19) Our pursuers were swifter than the eagles of the heavens: They chased us upon the mountains, they laid wait for us in the wilderness.
(Lam 4:20) The breath of our nostrils, the anointed of Jehovah, was taken in their pits; Of whom we said, Under his shadow we shall live among the nations.
(Lam 4:21) Rejoice and be glad, O daughter of Edom, that dwellest in the land of Uz: The cup shall pass through unto thee also; thou shalt be drunken, and shalt make thyself naked.
(Lam 4:22) The punishment of thine iniquity is accomplished, O daughter of Zion; he will no more carry thee away into captivity: He will visit thine iniquity, O daughter of Edom; he will uncover thy sins.
(2Th 2:8) And then shall be revealed the lawless one, whom the Lord Jesus shall slay with the breath of his mouth, and bring to nought by the manifestation of his coming;
(Rev 13:15) And it was given unto him to give breath to it, even to the image to the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as should not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
The breath of man and beast is the physical life that sustains us, but the breath of God is in His Spirit. The breath of man will cease, but the breath of God gives life. Once the lawless one is revealed to us, then Jesus will slay him with His breath, the Spirit. 8)
Then we realize who are the enemies of God and we cry as a daughter of Zion, and gasp for breath (spirit of God), for we faint before the murderers, of which we once were.
Not sure if I am on track or not, but nonetheless interesting. 8)
God bless,
Gary
Daniel:
Thanks Gary for your input. I know that God created all invisible and visible. That in Him we live, move and have our being.
He gives physical breath to the body making "a living soul".
But I had been pondering something. Jesus said unless you drink my blood and eat my flesh you have "NO LIFE" in you. Well ofcourse we do (as some might argue) Gods breath gives our mortal bodies life by His Spirit, we could not be "physically alive" without "that life" in us. Yet Jesus does not seem to include the life of the flesh in his estimation. THATS what I'm thinking on right now.
So does the first breath count at all, if Jesus does not count it? That which is born of flesh is flesh right? YET Adam (man of the earth) formed from the dust of the ground was breathed into by God to become a living soul? And we "count that" in our spiritual comparisons don't we?
So the first breath, the One we have "both man and beast" has no preeminence over the other as is written.
So I thought concerning the "Second breath" that Jesus breathed on the disciples. Unless THAT is where its truly counted? Being a "living soul" spiritually speaking?
Ok, not clear yet, need to further my seeking on this thats why I asked for perspectives, thanks.
Paul spoke of death working in Him that life would work in others. Considering its the "second Adam" Jesus Christ who is a lifegiving Spirit I was pondering on the thought that Christ in Him (who He was one with) became in Paul that life giving Spirit. Lived out in Him, by Him, and For Him and through Him in this fashion. Its Christ alone I realize, and just a couple of unorganized thoughts thinking in another direction perhaps.
So I wondered what others might see concerning that first breath or second breath. Paul even says as eccl. says concerning "no man knoweth" of many things especially that of God, but his "own spirit". But God has given us of His own Spirit that we can know. His spirit which bears witness with our own spirit the things God has given us. Seems a second breath here is how I'm beginning to see it.
Sorry I'm speaking aloud without anything other then a few scattered thoughts on these things. If I get them better organized that might be best.
Peace
Daniel
knuckle:
Hi Daniel---------
The breath given to Adam was the breath of life.Adam was spiritually innocent as he was created without sin.When we accept Christ our sins are covered and we return to the spiritual innocence that Adam had, therefore the two breaths seem to be the same.I know that those who haven't Christ are physically alive but they walk in spiritual death through sin(ours and Adams) so to be born in sin basically means(to me anyway) to be born dead.We don't actually live until those sins are covered.
I am trying to be careful as to what I say on the forum as I am still kind of new here.I don't know what Ray would say about this and this is only my take on it.I had posted earlier on another subject and it was brought to my attention that "Bible Truths" didn't say what I was trying to get across.I then spent a couple of days e-mailing Mike to ask his understanding of what I was saying to return and find that he was no longer a part of this site.
Oh well,I guess what I am trying to make clear is that this is the way knuckle sees it,it isn't written in stone and if you think I am in error it is no biggie.This seems a fine board and the posters show a lot of love.It is hard to find that in a lot of "Christian" chats.
much love---------knuckle
ciy:
Daniel,
This is a very interesting subject. Oddly enough reading your post makes me think of this in the book of Daniel.
When King Nebuchadrezzar,which means tears and groans of judgment, walked around in his palace and said one time too many I am a king look what I have done, he was cast down to eat with the animals and to act like animals. After 7 years he remembered who he was (could this mean 7000 years?) and was restored back to his kingship (back to his father's house after eating with the pigs and beasts). He was humbled so that he would realize the plight of man in the flesh (we will judge the angels that were left in heaven like the other brother in prodigal son). Once he remebered he was redeemed. He was lost then he was brought to remembrance and was restored (he was lost and now is found). Is this meaning God saw how we were not fit to do the task at hand (the whole creation is groaning in anticipation of) because we were too prideful of our positions so in order to have completely new creations that had never existed before he cast us down to live in a flesh body, took away our memory of who we are until we were humbled and then realized who we were in Christ (a royal priesthood). Then we are able to perform the task at hand thoughout the whole creation.
Some how that spirit that is in every man and woman is dormant until it is reenergized by accepting Christ or remembering who we are in Christ and him in us. Just some thoughts that hit me hard while reading your post.
CIY
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