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Daniel:
Thank you Knuckle and Ciy, you gave me something to think about. I appreciate your input the both of you, Gary too.
Heck I'll wait on it see what comes of it right? Thats all I can do.
His blessing be with you
Daniel
Lightseeker:
Daniel,
I was kinda waiting to see what popped up here. I think you've asked some very good questions about two kinds of llife. I'm going to throw a couple of things in for discussion. One is something new, that I've just found, which challenges me and what I've been saying. :cry: Dang and I thought I had it all figured out. :wink:
--- Quote ---In Ecc it says we are all of one breath. I understand that Adam being given this breath made him a "living soul" right? In Him we live move and have our being even though those He might have speaking to had yet to receive the Holy Spirit.
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You are correct in seeing that there are two kinds of life IMO. There is the one we're all familiar with, which is 'chay nephesh life' which is in 'all living creatures'.
GEN 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living/chay creature/nephesh that moveth,
GEN 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living/chay creature/nephesh after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
GEN 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living/chay soul/nephesh.
My question for anyone is this: So how are we different from the 'animals' since they/us both are chay nephesh...or living souls?
Gary,
Good scriptures. One of them is leading me down a trail I'd forgot about. May share that later.
Daniel,
--- Quote ---But I had been pondering something. Jesus said unless you drink my blood and eat my flesh you have "NO LIFE" in you. Well ofcourse we do (as some might argue) Gods breath gives our mortal bodies life by His Spirit, we could not be "physically alive" without "that life" in us. Yet Jesus does not seem to include the life of the flesh in his estimation. THATS what I'm thinking on right now.
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GOOD GOOD GOOD.
Knuckle,
Welcome to the forum. The forum rules don't require being a ditto head. Ray himself has admitted (wisely so IMO) that he may have mistakes. That is true of anyone smart enough to know how dumb we really are. I once read that a often quoted church father (Augustine) on his death bed passed away. All of a sudden he reawoke, sit straight up in bed and said, "All that I have written is but straw." A sobering thought for all of us.
Daniel,
I would like to finish with one more comment for you.
--- Quote ---When Jesus breathed on His disciples and they recieved the Holy Spirit, is this at all counted as a "second breath"?
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Jesus did not impart The Holy Spirit unto His disciples at this time, as tradition teaches. He specifically told them to 'wait in Jerusalem' to receive the promised Holy Spirit. The feast of Pentecost is representative of receiving/lambano The Holy Spirit. And Passover is representative of receiving/decomai Jesus and the salvation of your spirit.
What Jesus was doing in John 20:22 was prophesying Pentecost to them. He breathed (Gr. to blow at or on) them and then said "Receive/lambano" the Holy Spirit. The Greek word Lambano is talking about a 'self prompted taking' of something. They obeyed Jesus and stayed Jerusalem to receive/lambano or take it when the time was "fully come"...they knew the time was right when they 'heard the breath of God blowing on them' eg. 'rushing mighty wind' just like when Jesus blew on them and told them to take/accept what followed.
ACT 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Before one can receive The Holy Spirit...their own spirit must become holy via the new birth. Scripture doesn't adequately distinguish between our holy spirit and The Holy Spirit. Translators capitalized holy spirit over 50 times in the NT when it was really talking about our holy spirit not God's Holy Spirit.
knuckle:
Hi all---------
Lightseeker wrote----Knuckle,
Welcome to the forum. The forum rules don't require being a ditto head. Ray himself has admitted (wisely so IMO) that he may have mistakes. That is true of anyone smart enough to know how dumb we really are. I once read that a often quoted church father (Augustine) on his death bed passed away. All of a sudden he reawoke, sit straight up in bed and said, "All that I have written is but straw." A sobering thought for all of us.
Thankyou Lightseeker,for the welcome and the message.I first visited another (Mike's) site and then this one not looking so much for a new understanding but rather one that was closer to my own.Before posting here I made it a point to read most of the articles on both sites and found alot of the same ideas voiced here that I have had for years.I must admit however that ( and I mean absolutely no disrespect) sometimes the "what would Ray say about it" mentality came across kind of "cultish"for lack of better terms.I think that both Ray and Mike have a very good insight on the scriptures,But I was getting the feeling that we were expected to e-mail one of them every time we had an idea.The " not ditto heads" remark could not have come at a better time because I was sincerely having second thoughts about posting here.Again thank you.
much love---------knuckle
Programmer:
>>My question for anyone is this: So how are we different from the 'animals' since they/us both are chay nephesh...or living souls?<<
You need to look at the further definition of 'nephesh'...which means 'breathing creature'. A definition which plants don't fit into...
The difference ?
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Daniel:
Hey Dee, thank you all for your input. I'm done posting for awhile (if indefinately, up to mods on that).
Its been a blessing to fellowship with you. And ofcourse making rounds with the "Dee" man, I will miss our rounds :wink:
Didn't want to leave without saying goodbye and be rude (rude is a put off). As Dee said (like this one) HIM BE ONYA (its a keeper Dee) :lol:
His blessings be with you guys
Peace and love
Daniel
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