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markn902

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1 Corinthians 11
« on: August 02, 2009, 01:46:13 PM »

Hi everyone I was hoping to get some input on 1 Corinthians 11 1-16 It always seemed a little confusing to me and I thought I could see what other people think. I copied and pasted this from bible online site it is " Today's New International Version" Thanks

2 I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the traditions just as I passed them on to you. 3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man,  and the head of Christ is God.  4Every man who prays or prophesies  with his head covered dishonors his head.  5 But every woman who prays or prophesies  with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is the same as having her head shaved.  6 For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head.

 7 A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man.  8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.l  10 It is for this reason that a woman ought to have authority over her own head, because of the angels.  11Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman.  12For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God.

 13 Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?  14 Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him,  15 but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering.  16 If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice—nor do the churches of God.
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markn902

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Re: 1 Corinthians 11
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2009, 05:50:28 PM »

I cleaned it up a bit and put the scripture in bold I didn't realize it was so messy
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mharrell08

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Re: 1 Corinthians 11
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2009, 08:02:08 PM »

Hello Markn902,

Welcome to the forum  :)

Here is an email reply from Ray (http://bible-truths.com/email14.htm#dresscode) that touches on the subject:

Dear Tad:

The "long hair" of I Cor. 11:14 is not speaking solely of "long" hair, but, tressed hair or tresses, ringlets of curled hair, or tufts.

It is much the same principle as with you question regarding women wearing jeans or pants. The Scriptures tell us that men should not wear "what pertains to a woman" and women should not wear "what pertains to a man." But what pertains to a woman and what pertains to a man? Are skirts solely a woman's apparel while long pants solely a man's apparel?

Women have worn "pants" for thousands of year and men have worn skirts (and still do in Scotland during festive occasions). It is not the item so much as the intent of the item. Mrs. Bush our First Lady wears long pants all the time and she looks quite nice and feminine. And I hardly think that anyone would consider the rough and tough firemen of New York to be feminine in their "skirts" when they perform as a bagpipe unit.

But one can wear long and curly tufted hair to APPEAR feminine as a woman, and that certain is not becoming a man. Likewise a woman can wear a crew cut which likewise is unbecoming.

Such articles as feminine makeup, panties, and high-heeled shoes are definitely feminine and should not be worn by men. Gays and queers dress in ways that SHAME their gender.

It may be proper for a church to have a "dress code" for different church functions. The problem could be, however, that these codes go to the extreme. Most men would agree that a woman is much more sexy in a short skirt and high heels than in jeans and tennies, wouldn't you agree?  Maybe this thing of proper dress can be likened to the judge who said, "I don't know how to precisely define pornography, BUT I SURE KNOW IT WHEN I SEE IT"!

God be with you,

Ray



This is an issue that takes spiritual maturity to see the intent of what Paul is commanding. Paul made reference of this sinful action in the same epistle to the church of Corinth:

1 Cor 6:9-11  Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And SUCH WERE SOME OF YOU: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God

From Paul's words we see that this church had those who were 'effeminate' ['such were some of YOU']...effeminate in the Greek means 'soft to the touch'. In other words, men that carried themselves like women.

This is the intent of the matter in Paul's comments in 1 Corinthians 11...men are not to be 'effeminate' nor or women to carry themselves as men, as God is no respecter of person [Acts 10:34]. We should be able to judge these small matters [1 Cor 6:2] of hair length for men and women by recognizing the intent in the manner...whether it is to present oneself as the opposite gender or style of the time.

Let all things be done in praise of Him...'he that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord' [2 Cor 10:17]


Hope this helps,

Marques
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markn902

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Re: 1 Corinthians 11
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2009, 09:37:41 PM »

Thank you very much that makes sense  :)

what about verse 3 ?

But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man,  and the head of Christ is God.

whats that about?
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mharrell08

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Re: 1 Corinthians 11
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2009, 10:23:13 PM »

Thank you very much that makes sense  :)

what about verse 3 ?

But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man,  and the head of Christ is God.

whats that about?


Eph 5:22-28 & 33

v22  Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

v23  For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

v24  Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

v25  Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

v26  That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

v27  That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

v28  So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

v33  ...Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.


Again, in relation to Paul speaking with the church of Corinth from 1 Cor 11, a man is not to be 'effeminate' but to take his position as the head of the family...in the same manner that Christ is the head of the body.

That is not to say a wife is to be a husband's servant...the scriptures are clear that the husband is to love the wife as himself...again, in the same manner that Christ loves the body as Himself.


Hope this helps and I hope I did not go off-topic to your question,

Marques
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markn902

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Re: 1 Corinthians 11
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2009, 12:15:06 AM »

Thanks again  :)
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