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His return? Some questions.
johann:
I don't think we can spritualize everything we see in the Scriptures because we've suddenly become "allurgic" to literal interpretation. I'm told in the Word in Acts 1:11, "Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven"
I for one believe that He will come just like that - as it was told us.
And Alex, my heart goes out to you when you say that you're "struggling every step of the way" because I often feel that way too.
Just something that may help you as it helped me:
I realized one day that we here on earth are bound to time and space. The moment we die, we are no longer in time and space. In fact, when we die we enter into the eternal "now" even although our bodies (still in time and space) will rot in a grave. In terms of the eternal now we all die at exactly the same moment - the NOW moment of the eternal now. That is why Jesus could say "before Abraham was, I am" That is why in an instant - just like a real sleep - we wake on the other side. Your question is "when". Maybe that could help.
orion77:
(Act 1:11) who also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye looking into heaven? this Jesus, who was received up from you into heaven shall so come in like manner as ye beheld him going into heaven.
Checking Mathew, Mark, Luke and John, neither of these mention this in their account. Is there a second or third witness to the above verse?
(Mar 16:19) So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken unto them, was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.
(Luk 24:51) And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he parted from them, and was carried up into heaven.
Mathew and John don't mention Jesus being received up to heaven. Mark and Luke mention Him being received up to heaven, but no mention of His return.
Personally, He has already returned, because His Spirit is in me. Just would like to hear of more verses about this subject if anybody knows of any.
God bless,
Gary
orion77:
(2Co 13:5) Try your own selves, whether ye are in the faith; prove your own selves. Or know ye not as to your own selves, that Jesus Christ is in you? unless indeed ye be reprobate.
This verse here, why look for some huge second coming, when He is already in us?
(Col 1:26) even the mystery which hath been hid for ages and generations: but now hath it been manifested to his saints,
(Col 1:27) to whom God was pleased to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Again, why look for His second coming, when He already is in us?
(Rom 8:9) But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
(Rom 8:10) And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the spirit is life because of righteousness.
Seems to me as it was during the life of Jesus, the majority of people did not recognize that He was in their midst, it is still the same for the majority today. The Israelites of the OT did not see Him in their midst. The same for the people during Jesus ministry and still seems to be the same even now.
Does anybody see this? Would like some additional input and help.
God bless,
Gary
lilitalienboi16:
That is my problem, if Jesus isn't actualy physically coming back, which now it seems very apperent that He won't be, then when do the Dead hear the trumpets of GOd and rise from there graves? I always was taught that i was when He returned, see my problem?
Does that mean we just sleep for eternity in our graves then?
Andy_MI:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 ---That is my problem, if Jesus isn't actualy physically coming back, which now it seems very apperent that He won't be, then when do the Dead hear the trumpets of GOd and rise from there graves? I always was taught that i was when He returned, see my problem?
Does that mean we just sleep for eternity in our graves then?
--- End quote ---
Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming (G3952) of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Greek word for coming as in "the coming of the Lord" is:
G3952
παρουσία
parousia
Thayer Definition:
1) presence
2) the coming, arrival, advent
2a) the future visible return from heaven of Jesus, to raise the dead, hold the last judgment, and set up formally and gloriously the kingdom of God
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from the present participle of G3918
Citing in TDNT: 5:858, 791
Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
Mat 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
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