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nightmare sasuke:
Someone should email Ray this question. Maybe I will. In fact, I'll do it right now.

nightmare sasuke:
Here's what I emailed Ray:

From my current understanding, Jonah was conscious while in the fish that swallowed him (Jon 2:1). This parable, however, was a type (shadow) of, or, rather, foreshadowed Christ's experience and death. However, my questions are these:

If Jonas was conscious for his experience in the fish, then how come Jesus was not conscious for the three days he was dead and in hades? How is the three days (not counting the three nights) of death of the heart of the earth painful as compared with Jonah's conscious experience? Lastly, if Jesus had a spiritual body “in the beginning,� then when he died, how did he die a normal human death and go to hades? Did God convert his spiritual body into a regular ruach when He impregnated Mary?

PS. Is Jonah praying inside the fish (Jon 2:1) foreshadowing Christ's painful prayer in the garden? I think I see a connection.

Thank you. God bless.

- Zach Blaesi (Nightmare Sasuke)

nightmare sasuke:

--- Quote from: shibboleth ---How do we know Jonah wasn't dead in the fishes belly? All that toxic waste and little air may have killed him and then God revived him. I too will do a study on this question.
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He prayed while in the fishes belly, so he obviously was alive and conscious.

Lightseeker:

--- Quote ---Mickeyd,
If Jesus was not buried for 3 days and 3 nights, then maybe he just said those words for the spiritual meaning. "It is finished" was among his last words on the cross.....just a thought.
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The church has taught that these words mean all the work He was sent to do was finished.  But scripture says without the resurrection our faith is in vain.  He also went and preached to the disobedient spirits of Noahs time...sounds like more work needing to be done to me.

I now hold to the belief that what Jesus meant on the cross is dealing with His suffering in the flesh..."It is finished".  Because it was right after that...that He gave up his spirit and died physically.  Which was the penalty for sin.

nightmare sasuke:

--- Quote from: Lightseeker ---
--- Quote ---Mickeyd,
If Jesus was not buried for 3 days and 3 nights, then maybe he just said those words for the spiritual meaning. "It is finished" was among his last words on the cross.....just a thought.
--- End quote ---


The church has taught that these words mean all the work He was sent to do was finished.  But scripture says without the resurrection our faith is in vain.  He also went and preached to the disobedient spirits of Noahs time...sounds like more work needing to be done to me.

I now hold to the belief that what Jesus meant on the cross is dealing with His suffering in the flesh..."It is finished".  Because it was right after that...that He gave up his spirit and died physically.  Which was the penalty for sin.
--- End quote ---


Did he preach to spirits in prison BEFORE or AFTER his death? Ask yourself that. Now, what does prison mean?

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