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The term "spiritualize away"
YellowStone:
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Where have you received the idea that what is spiritual cannot manifest itself in what is seen?
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Daniel, please show me where I even suggest such nonsense. BTW its YellowStone, for I am no coward :)
I wrote:The Word became flesh and likewise our spirituality must too be earthed, for any attempt to dematerialize the spiritual (wrapping in a napkin) is pointless and in vein, for all Scripture has physical application. [/list:u]Are suggesting that Scripture has no physical application? Surely not! :)
I then wrote:So we must diligently and continuously seek out the truth and the promise; learn from it and then growing to maturity by living and applying all that we have learned[/list:u]And I guess you missed my first post in this thread that clearly shows and explains how Gods own sovereignty and divinity (spirituality) is clearly seen by what has been made.Rom 1:20 For the invisible (spiritual) things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: [/list:u]I think you were way to quick to jump my friend. :(
With Love,
YellowStone
Daniel:
--- Quote from: YellowStone ---
--- Quote from: Daniel ---Yellow,
Where have you received the idea that what is spiritual cannot manifest itself in what is seen?
--- End quote ---
Daniel, please show me where I even suggest such nonsense. BTW its YellowStone, for I am no coward :)
I wrote:The Word became flesh and likewise our spirituality must too be earthed, for any attempt to dematerialize the spiritual (wrapping in a napkin) is pointless and in vein, for all Scripture has physical application. [/list:u]Are suggesting that Scripture has no physical application? Surely not! :)
I then wrote:So we must diligently and continuously seek out the truth and the promise; learn from it and then growing to maturity by living and applying all that we have learned[/list:u]And I guess you missed my first post in this thread that clearly shows and explains how Gods own sovereignty and divinity (spirituality) is clearly seen by what has been made.Rom 1:20 For the invisible (spiritual) things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: [/list:u]I think you were way to quick to jump my friend. :(
With Love,
YellowStone
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Yellowstone,
I'm sorry that I misunderstood the way you wrote the following
--- Quote ---The Word became flesh and likewise our spirituality must too be earthed, for any attempt to dematerialize the spiritual (wrapping in a napkin) is pointless and in vein, for all Scripture has physical application.
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Where do you draw from me that the divine nature we are being made partakers of is hid at all?
1Titus 5:25 Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.[/u]
I'm in agreement with you, these should manifest in ourselves should they not?
As you have said yourself, to which I agree
--- Quote ---The Word became flesh and likewise our spirituality must too be earthed, for any attempt to dematerialize the spiritual (wrapping in a napkin) is pointless and in vein, for all Scripture has physical application.
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Shown in the parable of our good Lord and the word sown in our hearts
Mathew 13:5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:[/u]
You write,
--- Quote ---Are suggesting that Scripture has no physical application? Surely not!
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To which is my very point and I do agree, how do you see otherwise that I do not? This is what I thought you were implying, thinking in spiritualizing anything is to do away of a manifestting. Quite to the contrary. It is you misunderstanding me.
You write
--- Quote ---And I guess you missed my first post in this thread that clearly shows and explains how Gods own sovereignty and divinity (spirituality) is clearly seen by what has been made.
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Not at all, in fact I stressed the very thing on another thread with you concerning the same point. He is indeed Sovereign and His power which works in the things which are seen, expresses also the same power in us who believe. Moreso in that by the power exerted in Jesus Christ to raise the dead.
--- Quote ---Rom 1:20 For the invisible (spiritual) things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
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This is the verse we were talking about, one can indeed behold in nature itself His invisible power being undderstood beautifully through what is seen. On which do we disagree Yellowstone? I'm trying to understand what you mght disgree with, or which point you desire me to get across to me.
Then at last you wrote
--- Quote ---I think you were way to quick to jump my friend.
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How did I jump Yellowstone? What did I jump on? I don't perceive myself in all good conscience doing this. When I do I'm sure to admit it openly. It was simply a discussion.
I see we actually agree not at all disagreeing, how do you perceive otherwise? I apologize for shortening your name, I meant not to offend you, just to make it easier to type it, forgive me that I have done that. I meant no harm to you.
Peace
Daniel
YellowStone:
Daniel, let us before all else ask God for patience and understanding, because my friend, we surely need both.
Please let me clarify my point regarding
--- Quote from: Daniel ---Where do you draw from me that the divine nature we are being made partakers of is hid at all?
1Titus 5:25 Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid. [/list:u]
I'm in agreement with you, these should manifest in ourselves should they not?
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You answered your question here: "the good words of some," but not all.
Not all that talk the talk, walk the walk, Jesus often chastised the Pharisees for doing the sameMat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in [yourselves], neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. [/list:u]I am sure you have seen the Sunday Morning Christians, whom never seemingly practice what has been preached; their learned spirituality is more of an insurance plan than a way to live. They have "spiritualized away" the scripture in very much the same way as the third servant in the parable that I posted, being very quick to quote scripture to the letter, but little else.Luk 19:20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, [here is] thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:
Luk 19:21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
Luk 19:22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, [thou] wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:
Luk 19:23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury? [/list:u]
The connection is that all three servants were given a piece of silver (or similar) that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
This is in the same way how we are to apply what we have learned in our daily lives. We must not wrap our spirituality up and shelve it for a rainy day. We must also never turn our hearts and eyes away from the spiritually that manifests in everything that has been made (see Rainbows, mountains, flowers, babies, etc..............) Rather we must honor God in all that we think, do and say.
So why do some see nothing, whilst other yet see but not understand? Simple, because of the god of this world:2Cr 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. [/list:u]But they do not see the divinity and spirituality of God in the dust, or the ocean or anything else, they see what they see and that is all they understand. Even many that go to church weekly, see no more.
Daniel, there is no disagreement between us, perhaps we both over-reacted when a simple "Please explain ...." would have worked.
Praise be to our God who is Love.
YellowStone
Daniel:
Yellowstone writes
--- Quote ---Daniel, let us before all else ask God for patience and understanding, because my friend, we surely need both.
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I know I do, I would surely extend the same to you bro :D
Yellowstone writes
--- Quote ---Daniel, there is no disagreement between us, perhaps we both over-reacted when a simple "Please explain ...." would have worked.
Praise be to our God who is Love.
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I don't see one Yellowstone, perhaps we did, good to work out any kind of misunderstandings, I agree thats why we clarify.
Sometimes we can't even know there is a misunderstanding until after one arises. We would only ask the other in accordance to how something is first perceived (even if one was previously misunderstood).
Amen Yellowstone,
Praise be to our God who is just that, "Love". May He manifest Himself in and through us all that His good name be spoken well of. What a wonderful thing that would be.
Peace
Daniel
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