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Amrhrasach:
What is the point of life?  If man has no freewill then we live our lives according to the plans God has made, no?   

Ecc. 3:1 “To every thing there is a season and a time to every purpose under the heaven”

Ray:  “All the choices of all humanity are preordained by God to happen, and as such, not one is free to not happen. Therefore, no one has a will that can operate independent from or in opposition to, God’s preordained purpose.”

Ray: “Man’s will is predicated on previous circumstances and causes, all of which originate in God’s preordained plan and purpose.”

Ray: “The human will is not free to change anything that God has pre-appointed. You will "will" according to the circumstances God places in your path. And you are not free to "will" otherwise.”

So every person lives their life according to this rule that has been established.  And all are evil.  All possess evilness in their heart, none are excluded.

Psa 14:3  They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Mat 15:18  But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

Pro 16:4  The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

But all experience evil.

Ecc. 2:23—"For all his day, pains and vexation are his experience."

Ecc. 1:13—"It is an experience of evil God has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it."

And God does it:

Isa 45:7  I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Ecc 6:1  There is an evil which I have seen under the sun, and it is common among men:


But some are worse than others in the carrying out of evil.

Ray:  “One scripture says God frames evil, you know what it is when you put a frame around something,  you know frame it.  He frames evil, so it won’t go totally out of control.  What appears to be out of control today in the world, is actually framed.  God knows how far it’s going.  Nothing is out of control.

(Couldn’t find a verse to support the above, couldn’t find the right keyword)

So, we live our lives and then we die.   And then most, but not all, will have their part in the lake of fire.   

Rev 21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

But all will be saved.   

1Ti 2:4  Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

So all will be saved and the former things shall not be remembered. 

Isa 65:17  For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Rev 21:4  And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

2Pe 3:13  Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

So.

What is the point of life?    Some live their lives with good possessions while others live their lives in poverty and sickness.    Some live their lives in what appears to be a lifetime of blessings and others live their lives creating more evil in this world often with much time spent in prison.   And it’s all by god’s great plan.  Which brings another question to mind: 

Mat 25:43  I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

Visit and pray for those in prison……….should this be taken literal?

I digress.

So if it is ALL under god’s control and to each person a life has been assigned to live whether it be filled with good or filled with bad and then we all die and are resurrected to a life of righteousness where none of it is remembered by any of us anyway, then what is the overall point of life anyway?   What is the point?   It seems some are so blessed and favored by God and others just simply get the short end of the stick.   But none of it will be remembered.

Makes no sense.

Apology for the length and wall of words.

Gary

Kat:

Hi Gary,

It is quite confusing see how this world is now and how any good can come out of all this.  But the way I see it, it's from the experience itself that we will gain.  While we are actually living our lives we are gaining valuable knowledge form the experiences, whether it be good or evil. 

Right now we are somewhere in the first phase of God's plan for this human race, it's pretty messy and really quite difficult to bare what is happening in the world right now. The way I understand it, this process is necessary.  In order to build character we go through some really painful experiences in which to learn about evil first.  BUT there is another phase yet to come and it will rectify and correct all that is wrong with what we have now. 

Now as far as not remembering this life and it's experiences, I do not believe that is exactly how it will be.  It is more of a thing like it will not come into our mind, or we will not hold on and agonize over the memories from what happened to us in this life.  Here is a better translation of that verse in Isaiah.

Isa 65:17 For, behold me! Creating new heavens, and a new earth,—And the former shall not be mentioned, neither shall they come up on the heart, (Rotherham)

This is a email that I think will help with your question.

http://bible-truths.com/email2.htm ------------------------

I will give you some of the reason "why we are here."

A great and wise creator GOD PUT US HERE. He started the human family.

God is not stupid, He had a grand and eternal purpose in mind for making mankind.

God has many attributes, powers, knowledge, etc., that obviously mankind DOES NOT. But, God DOES WANT us to have those same attributes, especially LOVE!

Qualities of character such as Love are not instantaneously created, they must be developed. That development takes a creation, circumstances, and time. And so, God creates all these things necessary for their development.

Although God is GOOD, He nonetheless has a knowledge and understanding of both good AND EVIL. And so we TOO much come to an understanding of both good and evil. Why? Because ALL KNOWLEDGE hinges on their proper understanding.

People say things without ever realizing how stupid or impossible their thoughts or statements are. Most Christians suppose that if Adam and Eve had not sinned, then we all would STILL, right now, be enjoying the beautiful life of happiness and bliss in a fabulous garden of Eden. NOT SO!!! Adam and Eve did  NOT appreciate what they had with God in the garden before they sinned. They had NO CONTRAST to compare it with.

Now here is a key piece of understanding and wisdom. God wants CHILDREN. God is building a FAMILY. Children are to grow up and have the attributes of their parents. But these things must be LEARNED BY EXPERIENCE!  Not only didn't Adam and Eve appreciate what they had, they ABSOLUTELY COULD NOT have appreciated what they had, because they experienced ONLY GOOD.

Try to come up with even ONE VIRTUE, such as love, patience, honesty, goodness, faithfulness, loyalty, obedience, bravery, etc., etc., etc., ANYTHING of a virtuous nature, that does not involve the overcoming of SOME FORM OF EVIL! There is you answer! There IS NO VIRTUE, NO CHARACTER, NO STABILITY of any kind in any one, except he overcomes some form of EVIL.

Now can you see why we are here? Now can you see why there is not only good, but so much evil in the world? It is necessary! God did not put it here simply to make us miserable! God is NOT in a battle for supremacy with Satan. God CREATED Satan. God USES Satan. And Satan too, will be saved after he has done all of his dirty work. God will make him repent.

God is enlarging His family into BILLIONS of sons and daughters.  This life is part of the training ground to be the very SONS OF GOD.

All evil including DEATH itself will be abolished when God has used them to bring His family to a level of love and righteousness that He desires. We will then inherit all that God has and all that God is. God is truly OUR FATHER.

I hope that helps your understanding a little better. Life will not always be miserable and painful as it may seem to you now. This too shall pass.

Sincerely,

Ray

Dave in Tenn:
I don't see us (anybody) undergoing some process of amnesia, or the Lord (as I used to envision it) handing out small vials of Holy Tear Removal Ointment.  The former things which will pass away are the settings and conditions (and reasons) which caused tears, death, sorrow, crying, and pain.  These things will have been needful (even joy-inducing) for a season, but when they have fulfilled their purpose, they won't be needed any more. 

That's how absolutely COMPLETE a salvation our Lord has planned for us.

Astrapho:
By the way, the framing evil verse...

Jer 18:11  Now therefore go to, speak to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I frame evil against you, and devise a device against you: return ye now every one from his evil way, and make your ways and your doings good.

lilitalienboi16:
I often times wonder the same things.

I'm kind of curious as to wether or not we will still have the love an affection for that one special person in our life [husband or wife depending] when we die and are resurrected and God becomes all in all.

The reason being is because, it would suck to get so close to that one special person in your life, to share a lifetime of joy and sorrow only for that bond to be broken / severed because God is now all in all and we are like the angels...

To be honest i don't want to be like the angels.. -.- I wanna feel that bond i share with that special person wether I'm a mortal human or a quickened spirit.

This whole idea of being like the angels kind of bothers me.. lol
I refuse to believe that we spend our whole life with someone through rain and shine only for God to come a long at the finish line and break we two apart because now He's here, like literally here, not like spiritually lol. I know He's with us spiritual right now but i mean in the end.. when its all clear and no more pain. I'm sorry but i just don't want that. At least not to lose the person i love more than anything on this earth, whomever that may be, because God is all in all and now we're like the angels and He's all the love we need.

Thats my two cents, i know this was a little off topic but i felt it pertained, somehow.. lol

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