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Holy Spirit, the Helper
Roy Martin:
John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name,He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I have said to you.
John 14:15
If you love Me keep My commandments, And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper that He may abide with you forever, the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him, but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
This seems to be addressed to His Disciples because most of us in this world have to turn to men for truth.
I feel as if the Helper dwells in me. Something Spiritual definitely moves me and speaks to me and shows me things. Its when I can't understand what men are teaching that I rely on the Holy Spirit to clear it up for me of which sometimes is not what man teaches. I read a scripture without understanding. I study what man has to say about it and ask for help from others and get more scriptures tossed at me until I ask God, why is it that I have to depend on men to teach me when you promised the Holy Spirit to teach me, and dwell in me. I don't do this very often, in fact its only when I'm almost to the point of burnout of man's teachings and opinions that I do this, and when I do this it always seems to be answered, and gives me a feeling of being much more closer to God than before.
I think about the day of Pentecost and how the disciples and all of those people that were filled with the Holy Spirit, and people thought they were drunk, and how the disciples before this didn't understand anything Jesus had spoke to them, and in a blink of an eye they knew the truth.
I have never had that filled with the Holy Spirit as they received it, but my gosh I would love to have that.
Well here I am asking for opinions again of which will and should lead me back to God for an understanding of what it is I'm seeking.
If The Holy Spirit dwells in us, then why do we have to turn to man? I'm not referring to the bible of which is truth, but a mystery that only the Holy Spirit can reveal to us. Its all of mans teachings, even the scriptures that should lead us to that place where we want nothing less than the Holy Spirit to be our teacher. I am in no way putting any mans teachings down because I know that God uses everything to draw us to Him. I know He teaches us truth through men, but there is something in all mens teachings that draws us and connects us with the Holy Spirit to have that one on one, and not one on two.
I have a lot of scriptures to read about The Holy Spirit when it came upon someone. In most cases it was something very supernatural. I have had a couple of overwhelming feelings of which I have no doubt was the Holy Spirit letting me know its presence. I know that all is of God and that He leads us here and there, and that His word can show up in many places and in and through people. I know His word is here, and in Ray, and in all of us. The disciples walked with Jesus about 3 years and in an instant got truth. Some of us have been walking with Him 1-40 years yet only have a little of the truth of which we have to study, ask people, and listen to preachers that mislead us. Some of us reach complete burnout looking for understanding and truth. I speak for myself when I say that all of this leads me to that point of saying, "God I have had enough of this, where is the Helper that you promised"?
Little by little He gives me some of it, and it is good for awhile then back on the merry go round then back to God. My question is, was the Holy Spirit promised to just the disciples? My heart says no, but I have never received it as they and all of those on the day of Pentecost. What is the promise for if we still have to turn to man for the truth, and in our case, just one man Ray?. Please don't anyone get beside themselves and think that that is a put down, because its not in any way, I assure you its a positive and legitimate statement and question. The verses do read as if they were just for the disciples, but it just doesn't feel right. I just don't know, but I have to know the truth.
(The Spirit of Truth whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him.)
Peace
Roy
Marky Mark:
--- Quote ---My question is, was the Holy Spirit promised to just the disciples? My heart says no, but I have never received it as they and all of those on the day of Pentecost.
--- End quote ---
Hi Roy.
I think these email replys may help some.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,305.0.html
COMMENT: When sin no longer "has dominion over you," you will know that God's Holy Spirit is operating in you. Not that you will not sin, but sin will not lord it over you; you will no longer be a slave to sin; you will not be fighting sin ever moment of your day; you will be given peace in that area of your life.
God be with you,
Ray
http://bible-truths.com/email10.htm#miracles ---Comforter *
Dear Cindy:
Many assume that the statements that Jesus made to his eleven apostles on the evening of His arrest, were a blanket statement to all believers to follow, for all time. This is not so.
Jesus did do many miracles through His apostles after His death and resurrection. He promised them the gift of the Holy Spirit (Comforter), which would give them faith and power to spread His gospel message.
This came true fifty days later on the Day of Pentecost. The apostles were given the gift of tongues so that they could even speak in foreign languages which none of them had ever studied. They were able to heal the sick. And they even RAISED THE DEAD. Peter and Paul both RAISED THE DEAD.
These special miracle gifts did not follow all generations of the church. Even later in the ministry of the apostles, God began to withdraw these gifts. No one was raised from the dead in their later ministry. Paul said that "tongues would cease" in I Cor. 13. Only "faith, hope [expectation] and charity [love]" were to "NOW remain...." Some of Paul best friends and servants in spreading the gospel were sick and not healed. Paul told his dear friend Timothy, to "take a little wine for thy stomach's sake, and thine OFT [MANY] INFIRMITIES. God did NOT heal them. Do we think that Paul did not even ask?
Many in the charismatic church try to make a carnival exhibition of such gifts, but I am afraid all they do is deceive.
However, with that said, does God no longer perform miracles or healings? Yes, He does. I have seen and experienced them. Does He always heal? Does He always alleviate our problems and trials? NO. Why should we pray for God to TAKE AWAY all the things that are absolutely NECESSARY FOR OUR FAITH AND PERFECTION?
Don't neglect to ask God for EVERYTHING you feel you should have. But don't be disappointed if God allows you to CONTINUE IN YOUR TRIALS. Sometimes He removes certain trials after a period of time. We do not know when and how or even if God will do this that or the other thing, so we keep praying. I ask for STRENGTH AND FAITH to face my trials and OVERCOME my flesh. I no longer pray for God to make me HEALTHY, WEALTHY AND WISE, with absolutely no price to pay for such privileges.
This site is an answer to prayer. My understanding of the Scriptures is an answer to prayer. Everything I have is an answer to prayer. I pray for others and many times, GOD ANSWERS MY PRAYERS! But I do NOT always heal the sick through my prayers, I do not make people wealthy through my prayers, and I have NEVER raised the dead through my prayers. So don't stop praying!! And ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, thank God for all that you have.
And then, don't WORRY about anything. Phil. 4:6 is a terrible translation in the KJV. Instead of "Be careful in nothing..." it should read:
"DON'T WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING..."
God be with you,
Ray
Peace...Mark
Roy Martin:
Thank you Mark. Gods word is Spirit, and the only way we can understand it is to be in Spirit. The only way we can be in Spirit is to have the Holy Spirit in us. Am I right about that?
The people of the old testament didn't have the Holy Spirit yet the Spirit came upon them. The Spirit of the Lord spoke to many of that time.
As I said, I'm just now getting into this study. There is much to read about this topic.
Maybe in this same topic we can discuss the lieing spirit that God sends to the pastors and the people that are deceived.
These pastors, or at least most of them think they are lead by the Holy Spirit. We confront them and its as if we are butting heads with God Himself. In fact we are doing just that because it is God that blinded them with this deceiving spirit. To them it feels right according to the spirit they have in them, just as it feels right to us with the truth that we believe, yet we use to believe as they did. Is it possible that the whole world is mislead in some things? We wouldn't know it if we were if God sent the spirit to deceive us.
All of this will tie in together of what I'm searching for.
Roy
lauriellen:
dear roy, thank you for your many posts and insight....you always seem to ask the tuff questions that are hard to put to words. i also had been wondering about why the the apostles had the ability to raise the dead, and do these amazing miracles, ect......and why it isn't done today. i had not read that particular email by Ray addressing this question. sometimes it does feel like God has withdrawn from us in this day and time.
thanks again,
lauriellen
Marky Mark:
--- Quote from: lauriellen on October 13, 2009, 09:01:26 AM ---dear roy, thank you for your many posts and insight....you always seem to ask the tuff questions that are hard to put to words. i also had been wondering about why the the apostles had the ability to raise the dead, and do these amazing miracles, ect......and why it isn't done today. i had not read that particular email by Ray addressing this question. sometimes it does feel like God has withdrawn from us in this day and time.
thanks again,
lauriellen
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Not true Lauriellen.The greatest gift that any human being can receive is the gift of Faith.Our God is the only source for our existence.We have to rely on Him to show us His ways,always.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1710.0.html
Dear Noxolo:
I would love to write a paper on "faith," but at present I am engrossed in several other projects. Let me "bottom line" it for you in a few statements.
Faith is the assurance that God's Word is Truth and that God will do all that He has promised. This assurance (faith) is a GIFT of God and cannot be obtained by any human endeavor (Eph. 2:8-9). Reading and hearing the Scriptures can increase your faith, BUT ONLY BECAUSE GOD SUPERNATURALLY GIVES YOU THAT FAITH AND ASSURANCE, as you read and hear. Through faith you will both know God's will and live God's will. You must go to God for faith--there is no other source of true spiritual faith and assurance of God's trustworthiness.
God be with you,
Ray
Peace...Mark
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