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Rev. Chapter 10 verse 20
Marlene:
Hi, I have started to read Ray's lake of fire series over. I am on part 9 now. But, while I have been reading and looking up the scriptures. My eyes fell down to Rev. Chapter 10 verse 20.
Now, I know that Revelations is a book of symbols. It all stands for something spiritual.
Rev. 20 verse 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and the brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
I have a cousin who believes in the salvation of all. But , he still believes in many of the teachings of the old church system when it comes to Revelations.
He is getting on my nerves.
He keeps looking for a beast. A anti-christ and a false prophet.
I know we are the beast. This beast stands for our carnal nature that we have to overcome and our false doctrines.
I guess what I am trying to understand that since this is not literal what does the beast and false prophet represent in this verse.
For some reason I cannot get this verse off my mind.
If, you can help me I would appreciate it.
In His Love,
Marlene
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Marlene on November 05, 2009, 10:49:58 AM ---Hi, I have started to read Ray's lake of fire series over. I am on part 9 now. But, while I have been reading and looking up the scriptures. My eyes fell down to Rev. Chapter 10 verse 20.
Now, I know that Revelations is a book of symbols. It all stands for something spiritual.
Rev. 20 verse 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and the brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
I have a cousin who believes in the salvation of all. But , he still believes in many of the teachings of the old church system when it comes to Revelations.
He is getting on my nerves.
He keeps looking for a beast. A anti-christ and a false prophet.
I know we are the beast. This beast stands for our carnal nature that we have to overcome and our false doctrines.
I guess what I am trying to understand that since this is not literal what does the beast and false prophet represent in this verse.
For some reason I cannot get this verse off my mind.
If, you can help me I would appreciate it.
In His Love,
Marlene
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Hello Marlene,
You pretty much answer your own question regarding what the beast symbolizes. More can be found here (http://bible-truths.com/lake14.html). The false prophet is the 2nd wild beast which came out of the earth:
Rev 13:11-15 I perceived another wild beast ascending out of the land, and it had two horns like a lambkin's, and it spoke as a dragon. And it is exercising all the authority of the first wild beast in its sight, and making the earth and those dwelling in it to be worshiping the first wild beast, whose death blow was cured.
And it is doing great signs, that it may be making fire, also, descend out of heaven into the earth in the sight of mankind. And it is deceiving those dwelling on the earth because of the signs which were given it to do in the sight of the wild beast, saying to those dwelling on the earth to make an image to the wild beast which has the blow of the sword and lives.
And it was given to it to give spirit to the image of the wild beast, that the image of the wild beast should be speaking also, and should be causing that whosoever should not be worshiping the image of the wild beast may be killed. [CLV]
The scriptures admonish us on HOW false prophets deceive and what their end will be:
Deut 13:1-5 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder come to pass [Rev 13:13], whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; THOU SHALT NOT HEARKEN UNTO THE WORDS OF THAT PROPHET, or that dreamer of dreams: for ['for' or because...this is why it is given for the false prophet's sign to come to pass] the LORD your God proveth ['nacah' - H5254] you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. ('JUDGE ME, O LORD; for I have walked in mine integrity: I have trusted also in the LORD; therefore I shall not slide. Examine me, O LORD, and prove ['nacah' - H5254] me; try my reins and my heart'....Ps 26:1-2)
Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; [Rev 19:20] because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
Hope this helps,
Marques
P.S. Remember, ALL of Revelation is symbolized in the OT:
Matt 13:44 The kingdom of heaven is like a treasure hidden in the field, which a man found and hid again; and from joy over it he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field. [ASV]
Mark 4:22-23 For nothing is hidden, except to be revealed; nor has anything been secret, but that it would come to light. If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear. [ASV]
Excerpt from 12 Truths (http://bible-truths.com/twelve.htm):
Does anyone believe that this is the ONLY "allegory" in the Old Testament which is written for OUR admonition. Hardly—the Old Testament is FILLED with such allegories, but who has "ears to hear and eyes to see?" And "who will believe our report?" The whole book of Revelation is explained in the Old Testament Scriptures, but the theologians of this world do not and cannot discern it. They all teach that Revelation is a book of end-time, end-of-the-world eschatology. They have not a clue.
aqrinc:
--- Quote ---Marques
P.S. Remember, ALL of Revelation is symbolized in the OT:
Matt 13:44 The kingdom of heaven is like a treasure hidden in the field, which a man found and hid again; and from joy over it he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field. [ASV]
Mark 4:22-23 For nothing is hidden, except to be revealed; nor has anything been secret, but that it would come to light. If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear. [ASV]
Excerpt from 12 Truths (http://bible-truths.com/twelve.htm):
Does anyone believe that this is the ONLY "allegory" in the Old Testament which is written for OUR admonition. Hardly—the Old Testament is FILLED with such allegories, but who has "ears to hear and eyes to see?" And "who will believe our report?" The whole book of Revelation is explained in the Old Testament Scriptures, but the theologians of this world do not and cannot discern it. They all teach that Revelation is a book of end-time, end-of-the-world eschatology. They have not a clue.
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Every day and in almost every place, i can see the same blindness that i had; being practiced by wise men and those seeking after other gods. Truly i am learning the depth of depravity we can easily sink to, and how Merciful and Kind our FATHER GOD And Jesus Christ our Champion And Saviour/King really are.
Can't wait for the day all is revealed and the world will collectively drop their jaws in AWE And Amazement at He whom we have Pierced.
Rev 22: 1-4 (KJV)
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
Rev 22:12-17 (KJV)
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And who-so-ever will, let him take the water of life freely.
What a Mighty God is Jesus Christ.
george. ;D :o ::)
AK4:
The beast and false prophet can be, but not necessarily, the same person. These have to be those false teachers, ministers and preachers in the babylon church and since we know that the beast is not just one individual so it has to be also with the prophet. The same word (5578) for false prophet is used in Matthew, Mark, Luke, Acts, 2 Peter and 1 John only plurally. In Revelations for some reason its singular (maybe it something to do with the "thv" or "tai" or "tou" endings, i dont know). But i dont see why not in Revelations this false prophet could be talking about more than one person or everyone.
Actually come to think about it, the book of Revelations is a Revelation of Jesus Christ to that person right? And the NT is written to believers (and those who of the christian religion) as Ray has stated. So the false prophet could be these false prophets of christendom. Heck we can all look back and see where we were the beast, but i for one can also look back and see where when i was in babylon "preaching and teaching and parrotting (prophecying)" the false prophets of doom out there like Hal Lind sey and Jack Van Impe being a "false prophet" myself, thinking i was teaching others of Christ and His second coming. Even though i had almost always been nondenominational.
And i know i was "tossed alive in the lake of fire" and here i am now. Thank God.
Just my two cents,
In Jesus
Anthony
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: AK4 on November 05, 2009, 01:59:59 PM ---The beast and false prophet can be, but not necessarily, the same person. These have to be those false teachers, ministers and preachers in the babylon church and since we know that the beast is not just one individual so it has to be also with the prophet. The same word (5578) for false prophet is used in Matthew, Mark, Luke, Acts, 2 Peter and 1 John only plurally. In Revelations for some reason its singular (maybe it something to do with the "thv" or "tai" or "tou" endings, i dont know). But i dont see why not in Revelations this false prophet could be talking about more than one person or everyone.
Actually come to think about it, the book of Revelations is a Revelation of Jesus Christ to that person right? And the NT is written to believers (and those who of the christian religion) as Ray has stated. So the false prophet could be these false prophets of christendom. Heck we can all look back and see where we were the beast, but i for one can also look back and see where when i was in babylon "preaching and teaching and parrotting (prophecying)" the false prophets of doom out there like Hal Lind sey and Jack Van Impe being a "false prophet" myself, thinking i was teaching others of Christ and His second coming. Even though i had almost always been nondenominational.
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Not exactly Anthony...the book of Revelation is the Revelation of Christ IN, not 'to', those who have eyes to see and ears to hear [Rev 1:3]. And John did not perceive the beast from the sea to be the same as the beast from the earth...these are both symbolic of something else and not of one another.
Rev 13:12 he [2nd wild beast from the earth] exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed
Hope this helps,
Marques
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