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G. Driggs:
I think Strong's Dictionary definition of seven is right on, and it seems to go with what Ray says.

H7651
שׁבעה    שׁבע
sheba‛  shib‛âh
sheh'-bah, shib-aw'
From H7650; a primitive cardinal number; seven (as the sacred full one); also (adverbially) seven times; by implication a week; BY EXTENSION AN INDEFINITE NUMBER: -  (+ by) seven ([-fold], -s, [-teen, -teenth], -th, times). Compare H7658.

Websters definition of "indefinite"

Indefinite

INDEF'INITE, a. [L. indefinitus; in and definitus, definio, to define; de and finio, to end, finis, end.]

1. Not limited or defined; not determinate; not precise or certain; as an indefinite time. An indefinite proposition, term or phrase, is one which has not a precise meaning or limited signification.

2. That has no certain limits, or to which the human mind can affix none, as indefinite space. A space may be indefinite, though not infinite.

Like Ray always says, "pay attention to all the words".

Hope this helps

G.Driggs

Marky Mark:

--- Quote ---Thanks to all who have replied to my question as it is helping my understanding greatly.  Now how does Ray use the scriptures to support that 7 has a similar meaning to 1000, and furthermore support that that 1000 can mean many or as long as necessary?
 
 
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From what I have come to learn in Scripture the number seven throughout the bible has always denoted the meaning of the words "fullness and complete" so, as to mean perfection.This number has been used to that end many times throughout Scripture.

Numbers that are used in Scripture always seem to denote a symbolism that pertain to an age when used as a symbol of time. The use of the word day [yom] can be of an age also.God created the universe and everything in it and said that it was good. These six days of creation were what led up to the seventh day,which would mean a complete or perfect day [number seven/age/rest].So to me at least, if 1000 denotes a period of time that I have come by to mean an age,well then that age is and was made by God to be a perfect number which would coincide with the number seven [full and complete].Time as we know it is not above the time that God uses to perfect His works.

The verse below, I think, can relate to what I speak of.

2Pe 3:8 Now of this one thing you are not to be oblivious, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day."

Psa 90:4 For a thousand years are in Your eyes Like yesterday's day when it has passed, Or like a vigil in the night."

As Ray has stated on many occasions,the bible is one giant parable.With the help of Ray and of course the Spirit of God,I can only begin to understand what the Word is showing me in my own small mind. With the Spirit leading me,I can only count my blessings in this journey called life. Hope this helps some. Any help and correction welcome.

All Praise and Glory to the Father.



Peace...Mark

Dennis Vogel:

--- Quote from: Fester on November 17, 2009, 07:51:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on November 16, 2009, 01:13:35 AM ---"a just man will fall seven times" could have been written seventy or many times IMO. No connection.

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But can you back that up?

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Thinking more about this, I agree with what others have said. Seven means a man will fall until he is perfected, but the number is symbolic, every man falls thousands of times.

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