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gallenwalsh

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Thank you
« on: November 20, 2009, 08:12:44 PM »

Just want to thank everyone for there help and concern in answering my questions. They are greatly appreciated. I have another question and I'll let you all rest for a while. Paul spoke of sin and a sin that leads to death.Can any one clarify what he was speaking of ?
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mharrell08

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Re: Thank you
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2009, 09:44:22 PM »

Just want to thank everyone for there help and concern in answering my questions. They are greatly appreciated. I have another question and I'll let you all rest for a while. Paul spoke of sin and a sin that leads to death.Can any one clarify what he was speaking of ?


Hello Gallenwalsh,

Concerning 'sin unto death', I'm not sure if you meant John:

1 John 5:15-18  And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him. If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.



or like you stated above, Paul:

Rom 6:15-17  What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.


Which one are you referring to? I would think 1st John, as that seems to be a more difficult scripture to understand. Let us know  :)


Marques
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gallenwalsh

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Re:Marques: First John: thank you reply
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2009, 09:11:05 AM »

Yes that would be the one, first John.
« Last Edit: November 23, 2009, 09:12:14 AM by gallenwalsh »
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mharrell08

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Re:Marques: First John: thank you reply
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2009, 11:09:56 AM »

Yes that would be the one, first John.


FYI: http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,10002.0.html

I posted this in the thread above:

1 John 5:16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.

Does anyone have another witness to say that their are sins that don't lead to death? I don't quite understand this passage so any enlightenment or a better translation would be much appreciated.  Thank You
   lferretj


Here are a few other versions:

1 John 5:17  Every wrong thing we do is sin. But there are sins that do not lead to death. [NIVR]

1 John 5:17  Everything that is wrong is sin, but not all sins are deadly. [CEV]

1 John 5:17  All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death. [NKJV]

1 John 5:17  All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin which does not [involve] death [that may be repented of and forgiven]. [AMP]

This passage is helped to be understood from the one before it, 1 John 5:16:

If any man see his brother sin a sin [which is] not unto death, he shall ask, and he [Christ] shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

John says if we see [Gk. see or perceive] a brethren sin a sin not unto death [2nd death], we shall ask and Christ shall give them life for sin 'not unto death'. John then says that 'sin unto death' we are NOT to pray for.

I like the Amplified translation the best for this passage, though it does take some leverage with interpretation, but to me gives the best understanding. This translation states that there is sin that does not lead into death [again, the 2nd death aka Lake of Fire] because these sins can be repented and forgiven. And Christ confirms that when stating how there is sin that 'will not be forgiven' until repented of:

Matt 12:31-32  Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Luke 12:8-10  Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God. And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Heb 10:26-27  For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.


Email from Ray on 'unforgivable sin & blasphemy' (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2175.msg17731.html#msg17731) [Reply #2]:

Dear Jennifer:
Jennifer, I have many hundreds of emails ahead of yours, but I took the time to answer your before them all. It is not possible, however, for me to write essay type answers to hundreds and thousaands of emails. I realize that this is hard for many people to understand. Your email is about 6 pages long. If all my emails were 6 pages long, I would have to read thousands of pages each year before I could answer all my emails. Try that some time.
 
Don't apologize in one sentence and then put me down in the next. I did give you constructive criticism in my answer to you. I said that your theory was not Scriptural, because if it was, then Paul himself would have commited the "unpardonable sin" when he persecuted the Church of Christ in the name of God.
 
However, I do not wish for you to be despondent over this matter or me.
 
When Jesus warned of this sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, it was when He had cast out demons. The Scribes said that Jesus cast out devils by the prince of devils (Mark 3:22).  The Pharisees also accused Him of this very same thing (Matt. 9:34). And we are told that Jesus gave that stern warning, "Because they said, He [Jesus] has an unclean spirit."
 
But this alone is not all there is to this sin. Even in the Old Testament, when one sinned "ignorantly," he was held to a lower standard than if he sinned "willfully, knowlingly."  God's principles are always true. There was more to the sin of these Scribes and Pharisees than merely stating that Jesus had a devil and cast out devils by the prince of devil. The truth is THEY KNEW BETTER.  They knew that they were lying in order to deceive the multitudes who were beginning to believe in and trust Jesus as a Man of God. They were SINNING AGAINST LIGHT.  They were sinning aginst WHAT THEY KNEW WAS THE TRUTH.  And how do we know this?  We are frankly TOLD this in the Scriptures.
 
In John 3 we have a "Ruler of the Jews" by the name of Nicodemus, and this is what we are told by him:  "There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a RULER [this man KNEW what the Scribes and the Pharisees believed behind closed doors] of the Jews. The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto Him, Rabbi, WE [Scribes, Pharisees, Rulers, Jews]  KNOW  that you are a Teacher COME FROM GOD; for no man can do these miracles [such as casting out demons] that You do, except GOD BE WITH HIM"  (John 3:1-2).
 
It is when we KNOW the truth and blaspheme AGAINST THE TRUE LIGHT THAT WE KNOW, that we then "blaspheme against the Holy Spirit" which is the means by which light and truth is imparted.

God be with you,
Ray



Hope this helps,

Marques

P.S. George has more scriptures in the thread above as well.
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gallenwalsh

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Re: Thank you
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2009, 07:20:29 AM »

It helped very much. I had to read it all a couple of times before it came clear to me.Thank you for taking the time.
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