> General Discussions

Luke,Matthew,and the virgin birth

(1/17) > >>

alchemist:
You people have had this conversation about the virgin birth more than once and I want to bring to the table the possibility of it never happening at all.Let me explain,Luke and Matthew(NOTE:Matthew and Luke probly didn't even write them) are the only ones in the bible that mention it.In mark 3:21 did his family just forget about the virgin birth and paul not once every seemed to acknowledge it.

People read the Matthew&Luke and just assume that these are true.In fact there are many parts of the bible people just assume are inspired.In the two thousand years since the birth of Jesus of Nazareth, the world of Christendom has seen incredible changes, including a split with the Eastern Orthodox Church and a Protestant Reformation, accompanied by a rejection of much core ideology. Yet throughout it all, the collection of  scripture called the New Testament has remained unchanged and largely unquestioned, even though it was assembled by the same church leaders whose beliefs many now refute.I might bring up this topic in a later thread and you'll understand what I mean later but for now I'm drawing my focus on Matthew&Luke.

EDITED: Don't get me wrong I'm not saying throw out these gospels just well...one false scripture can do more harm than a true one can do good.

SteveW:
Isa 7:14  Therefore the Lord Himself giveth to you a sign, Lo, the Virgin is conceiving, And is bringing forth a son, And hath called his name Immanuel, (YLT)

Mat 5:17  `Do not suppose that I came to throw down the law or the prophets--I did not come to throw down, but TO FULFIL; (YLT)

If you can't stand on the scriptures, how can you stand at all?

Sorin:
If Jesus was not born of a virgin, then he would be the seed of Adam and thus born a sinner like the rest of us. Who do you think got Mary pregnant with Jesus, Joseph? Or perhaps another man? If you answered ,no,no, then Mary's still a virgin. If you answer yes to any of those than you have no Scripture to back it up. So which is it. But Like I said, we are all born sinners by virtue of being born of Adam. So if Jesus was concieved the old fashioned way, then we don't have a Saviour. For He would not be spotless and without blemish and sinless.

Take care,
Sorin

eutychus:
its said the magi where alchemist.

alchemist:

--- Quote from: SteveW ---Isa 7:14  Therefore the Lord Himself giveth to you a sign, Lo, the Virgin is conceiving, And is bringing forth a son, And hath called his name Immanuel, (YLT)

Mat 5:17  `Do not suppose that I came to throw down the law or the prophets--I did not come to throw down, but TO FULFIL; (YLT)

If you can't stand on the scriptures, how can you stand at all?
--- End quote ---


The correct translation for Isa 7:14 is maiden not virgin.

Sorin about Adam well...this I will have to explain later besides the subjects probly a little to big for this place.Infact Joe if your reading this remember when I asked you about satan,eden,and adam&eve you never answered my question.do you still need more time or did you just forget?Remember me I asked you to ban me?

EDIT:Sorin I don't see your point.Right now I'm criticizing matthew and luke so besides them do YOU have any proof for or against the birth.AS far as I have seen(AND I HAVE LOOKED) there is none as if it never happened.

Navigation

[0] Message Index

[#] Next page