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Luke,Matthew,and the virgin birth
alchemist:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver ---For the record my Rotherham's has Isaiah 62:5 as;
For a young man marrieth a virgin, thy sons marry thee! And the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride
Thy God rejoiceth over thee.
So does the E-sword KJV;
Isa 62:5 For as a young man marrieth a virgin1330, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.
H1330
בּתוּלה
bethûlâh
beth-oo-law'
Feminine passive participle of an unused root meaning to separate; a virgin (from her privacy); sometimes (by continuation) a bride; also (figuratively) a city or state: - maid, virgin.
--- End quote ---
there's no problem with this verse it does say virgin it's Isa.7:14 that's the problem.
longhorn:
Philippians 3: 12-16 were and still are one of my favorite passage of scripture when my journey out of Babylon began. May Christ ALWAYS be closer than a brother.
Everyone have a GREAT day in Christ.
Longhorn :)
eutychus:
--- Quote from: longhorn ---Philippians 3: 12-16 were and still are one of my favorite passage of scripture when my journey out of Babylon began. May Christ ALWAYS be closer than a brother.
Everyone have a GREAT day in Christ.
Longhorn :)
--- End quote ---
12Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.
15All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you. 16Only let us live up to what we have already attained.
YellowStone:
Hi All,
Here is another twist in regard to the virgin birth.Jhn 7:42 Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?
Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;[/list:u]If Joseph was not the biological father of the earth-bound Jesus, then Jesus could not be of the seed of David, and the lineage as portrayed in Luke 3:23-31 could not be true; the "as supposed" not withstanding.
Many believe instead in an inmaculate conception rather than simply Joseph being a non-enity. I am not or ever have been cathlic, but I found a very interesting article on this very subject. It is here in part:It’s important to understand what the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception is and what it is not. Some people think the term refers to Christ’s conception in Mary’s womb without the intervention of a human father; but that is the Virgin Birth. Others think the Immaculate Conception means Mary was conceived "by the power of the Holy Spirit," in the way Jesus was, but that, too, is incorrect. The Immaculate Conception means that Mary, whose conception was brought about the normal way, was conceived without original sin or its stain—that’s what "immaculate" means: without stain. The essence of original sin consists in the deprivation of sanctifying grace, and its stain is a corrupt nature. Mary was preserved from these defects by God’s grace; from the first instant of her existence she was in the state of sanctifying grace and was free from the corrupt nature original sin brings.
When discussing the Immaculate Conception, an implicit reference may be found in the angel’s greeting to Mary. The angel Gabriel said, "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you" (Luke 1:28). The phrase "full of grace" is a translation of the Greek word kecharitomene. It therefore expresses a characteristic quality of Mary.
The traditional translation, "full of grace," is better than the one found in many recent versions of the New Testament, which give something along the lines of "highly favored daughter." Mary was indeed a highly favored daughter of God, but the Greek implies more than that (and it never mentions the word for "daughter"). The grace given to Mary is at once permanent and of a unique kind. Kecharitomene is a perfect passive participle of charitoo, meaning "to fill or endow with grace." Since this term is in the perfect tense, it indicates that Mary was graced in the past but with continuing effects in the present. So, the grace Mary enjoyed was not a result of the angel’s visit. In fact, Catholics hold, it extended over the whole of her life, from conception onward. She was in a state of sanctifying grace from the first moment of her existence. [/list:u]The entire article can be found here: http://www.catholic.com/library/Immaculate_Conception_and_Assum.aspThis by no means changes scripture, infact it supports scripture in the sense that virgin birth seems to be a man made doctrine.
God is the revealer of all truths: Alchemist, I think you are on to something. :)
YellowStone
hillsbororiver:
Rotherham;
Wherefore let my Lord Himself give you a sign,
Lo! a Virgin, being with child and giving birth to a son
thou wilt call his name Immanuel.
Rotherham's sidenote to the root Hebrew word translated virgin in this verse;
"It is true that the Hebrew word here is almah and not bethula; but an examination of all the occurrences of the former shows it is synonymous with the latter and properly means virgin"
Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin5959 shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
H5959
עלמה
‛almâh
al-maw'
Feminine of H5958; a lass (as veiled or private): - damsel, maid, virgin.
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