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Writings of Paul and Peter?
Kat:
Hi Lupac,
also you might be interested in the audios of 'How We Got The Bible' at the bottom of the page on this link.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2641.0.html
--- Quote ---Also, is being "made alive" in 1 Cor. 15:22 the same as being saved?
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1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
Yes to be "made alive" will be our salvation, but it is a process. When you are chosen and drawn/dragged to Christ (John 6:44) you receive the earnest of His spirit. This is so that He can work in you and prepare you for His return, so as to reign with Him. Ray speaks of this in the email below.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2619.0.html ---
The Spirit of Christ is eternal, and when we have the Spirit of Christ we have eternal life in us. But....BUT,
we have only the "earnest" of that spirit, and it will not keep our physical bodies from dying. But when we have the earnest of God's spirit, it is proof that there is more to come: "In Whom you also trusted after that you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in Whom also after that you believed, you were SEALED WITH THAT HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE. Which is the EARNEST of our inheritance UNTIL [not now; not yet, but later] the redemption of the purchased POSSESSION, unto the praise of His glory" (Eph. 1:13-14).
And that takes place at the resurrection of the saints at the last trump. One more point: although we are promised "eonian" life, nonethless, the spirit that gives us "immortality," IS ETERNAL.
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The earnest is the begettal you receive now, when your eyes are opened to the truth. You do not receive the full measure of His spirit until you are actual born into the kingdom at His return, then you become spirit as He is now spirit.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;
But it is a process that is worked out during this life to start with, Paul likened it to a race.
Heb 12:1 Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
v. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
v. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
v. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
Hope this helped.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Lupac:
I still worry about this sometimes. Like with the verses about all will be saved, I think, what if God doesn't want to save everybody, or something. I know, it takes faith.
James 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways
That rings very true for me. I try not to be double minded, but I'm sacred. Is there any proof ether way that Paul wrote First Timothy?
Kat:
Hi Lupac,
I have another good Bible study 'DOES ALL MEAN ALL?' (DOES SCRIPTURE PROVE GOD WILL SAVE EVERYONE ?) This whole transcript gives much explanation as to 'all' being saved.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5605.msg45176.html#msg45176 -------
1Cor 15:28 And when all things have been subjected unto Him, then shall the Son also Himself be subjected to Him that did subject all things unto Him, that God may BE all.....IN all.
Who would think that this proves that Christ Himself would be subject unto the Father, “that God may be all in all.” How does that prove all human are going to be saved. We have the same word ‘all’ that's the word ‘pas.’ Here’s why, you can’t say that the first ‘all’ means absolutely all, but the next ‘all,’ these right together, means something totally different, you can’t do that. God does not speak in such convoluted deceitful ways in His word, if you say the second ‘all,’ that’s all humanity doesn’t mean all. Then you have to also conclude that when God says, “that He may be all,” that God Himself is not all. Who would suggest that God is not all, that He is lacking, He’s not all that He wants to be or whatever, only partly. It’s nonsense. Well whatever the all is, meaning that God is complete and that’s what it’s talking about, completeness, being made whole. Like it says in Colossians, “we are made perfect in Christ” complete, we are complete in Him, mature, whole. Whatever God is, is what He will be in. That God may be all, that’s what He is, that’s not us now, God will be all. Well if God is all and He is all, being all, be all, it’s the same thing He’s going to be in us. It can’t be just in part, you can’t say God will be all in part of humanity, you can’t say that. So even a simple verse like that, “God… all in all” absolutely proves all humanity is included.
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Hope that helped.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Lupac
You sure are keeping us all on our toes here in a good way! :)
--- Quote ---Is there any proof ether way that Paul wrote First Timothy?
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It is God’s Word that Paul wrote 1 Tim.
Here is all the proof you need!
1Ti 1:1 From Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the command of God our Savior and Christ Jesus our hope,
1Ti 1:2 to Timothy, my genuine child in the faith. May grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord be yours….
Arc
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Lupac on December 11, 2009, 08:38:53 AM ---I still worry about this sometimes. Like with the verses about all will be saved, I think, what if God doesn't want to save everybody, or something. I know, it takes faith.
James 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways
That rings very true for me. I try not to be double minded, but I'm sacred. Is there any proof ether way that Paul wrote First Timothy?
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Bryant,
If any of us had 'proof' of anything, we wouldn't need faith. Here is faith:
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
Here is hope:
Rom 8:24-25 For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it.
Here is spirit ('things not seen'):
John 4:24 God is spirit, and those who are worshiping Him must be worshiping in spirit and truth
John 3:8 The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit
1 Tim 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Here is the plain, simple reason why God sent the prophets, apostles, disciples, etc. to spread the gospel:
John 5:9-15 If we are obtaining the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater; for this is the testimony of God, that He has testified concerning His Son. He who is believing in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; he who is not believing God has made Him a liar, for he has not believed in the testimony which God has testified concerning His Son. And this is the testimony, that God gives us life eonian, and this life is in His Son.
He who has the Son has the life; he who has not the Son of God has not the life. These things I write to you that you who are believing in the name of the son of God may be perceiving that you have life eonian. And this is the boldness which we have toward Him, that if we should be requesting anything according to His will, He is hearing us. And if ever we are aware that He is hearing us, whatever we may be requesting, we are aware that we have the requests which we have requested from Him.
Hope this helps,
Marques
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