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I don't know what to do.
Roy Martin:
Hi Lupac,
Well I can see from your post and all the replies that God is guiding you. Its just a matter of Gods time, and you learning also in His time and growing in faith as the fear will certainly disappear. You aren't the first nor the last to have these doubts and fears that God purges from us. Ive definitely gone through this, and many more present issues with more to come. We die daily to live in Christ, and its Him that does the killing.
Peace
Roy
Amrhrasach:
--- Quote from: Lupac on December 08, 2009, 07:58:53 PM ---Quite frankly, I'm terrified. I have all these doubts and fears. I realize now that I never really "loved" God, I just served Him because I was afraid of what He would do to me if I didn't. I'm still very afraid of hell. I don't know what to do about it. (I don't believe it, but it still scares me.) I worry about other things too. I worry that maybe the Bible isn't real, as in, maybe there isn't a God, I worry that if I think the wrong thing, God will put me in hell, and I just want it to stop. Can anyone help me?
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So often these days I so do hesitate to post and the reason is very simple. Unlike most who are qualified in offering roast, I can only offer a sampling of milk. But your post struck me and so I offer something to you to consider in your current struggle, as my own is similar.
“because I was afraid of what He would do to me if I didn't.”
Pro 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Psa 119:120 My flesh trembleth for fear of thee; and I am afraid of thy judgments.
Keep it in mind and may God allow the fear be placed in manner of wisdom. You’re among good company.
“I'm still very afraid of hell. I don't know what to do about it. (I don't believe it, but it still scares me.)”
A myth dis-assembled and lying in ashes, as you recognize and know.
1Co 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Rejoice.
“I worry that maybe the Bible isn't real, as in, maybe there isn't a God,”
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5815.0.html
“I’ll show you why this is so important, because if Jesus Christ was the Son of God. If Jesus Christ died and was resurrected from the dead. If that is a historical fact. THEN YOU CAN BELIEVE ANYTHING THE MAN SAYS! Anything and everything, you see. Now let’s zero in on that a little bit. Paul says;
I Cor. 15:5 and that He was seen of Cephas, then by the Twelve.
v. 6 Then He was seen of five hundred brethren at once,
v. 7 Afterward He was seen by James, then by all the apostles.
v. 8 And last of all He was seen by me also,
So Paul saw Him. This is the Man they killed! HE WAS DEAD! Paul said, I SAW HIM. Peter saw Him - the Twelve saw Him - 500 at one time saw Him. Paul said most of those people were still alive and you can go and ask them. Now he’s just talking about 500 people he knows of specifically.” L. Ray Smith
Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Sometimes our spiritual fingers are in our spiritual ears. Pray God allows you to use those fingers to thrust them into the wound as was necessary for Thomas, and for me also.
Has not everyone on this forum also at one time or another believed and also fought, on the same spiritual ground? You are amongst good company of those who have built their house on a better foundation. So build your house with confidence.
I am all too familiar with your spiritual fight, Lupac, and so very often of late find
myself also questioning God’s existence, his love, his plan, his knowledge, his wisdom, his mercy, and this:
Pro 16:9 A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps.
It’s a struggle like no other, at least for me. We all, before, have placed our confidence in trinkets of “spiritualism” and come to believe we are strong. It’s a false confidence. When he begins to smash those trinkets the beast within us seems to come alive with renewed strength.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
I’m becoming to come of a mind to believe that the Lord knows just how very clever our individual beast can be when roused by the truth, and how deeply rooted our pride when the routing begins, and then he uses adequately measured means to bring us to a specific low point before he can move us to greater things.
Psa 116:6 The LORD preserveth the simple: I was brought low, and he helped me.
Pro 29:23 A man's pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit.
Mat 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
I remain astounded at my own pride and even so at his mercy.
Psa 6:2 Have mercy upon me, O LORD; for I am weak: O LORD, heal me; for my bones are vexed.
Psa 66:20 Blessed be God, which hath not turned away my prayer, nor his mercy from me.
Stay strong Lupac. You’re among those who understand.
Eph 3:12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.
Gary
Lupac:
Okay... Thank you all. I guess what I don't understand is, why do so many Christians want "hell" to be true. Some of them, from what I see, wish it wasn't true, but preach about it because they're afraid of it, while others seem to take... delight in it. I, just want to do the right thing and love God and others around me. I don't want to go to hell, but I'm so afraid I will, because I have done this or that thing "just right". I'm afraid of other people going to hell too. I need to reread some of your replies. I believe Jesus Christ has the power to save all men. I guess I just need God's help.
Kat:
Hi Lupac,
It would do you a lot of good to read through Ray's articles on hell. He will answer every conceivable question you have about hell and what the Scriptures really say. There is quite a few articles (that I have listed the links below) and they have lots of details that really will answer all of your questions. You have right here at your finger tips the answers that will give you peace, so do read through them. If you have any questions after that, you can be assured we will be right here for you.
16. A. Hell: Sheol Translated Grave http://bible-truths.com/lake16-A.html
B. Hell: Sheol Translated Hell http://bible-truths.com/lake16-B.html
C. Hell: The Origin of Endless Punishment http://bible-truths.com/lake16-C.html
D1 Hell: The Christian hell is a Christian HOAX http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D1.htm
D2 Hell: Tophet and Molech in Hinnom http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D2.htm
D3 Hell: The Sermon On The Mount is for You http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D3.htm
D4 Hell: Gehenna Fire Judgment http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D4.htm
E. Hell: Hades and the Second Death http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D5.htm
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Lupac:
Thanks, I'm still working my way though them. Did Ray ever post his paper on the tektonics site that "refuted" him? I noticed not many people who try to "refute" him use scripture, just their own ideas, and ideas of others (Church fathers, theologians, etc.) I think that says a lot right there. I'm still, so afraid, but I think God is helping me through it. I go from one thing to another very quickly in my mind. First I'm worried that God won't save everybody, then I worry that I'm going to hell, (Why, I don't know.) then I worry that maybe parts of the Bible aren't inspired, then I worry that God isn't even real.
>_>
I'm making my life a living hell. I don't want to anymore, but I can't seem to help it. I feel horrible all day. (You know that feeling you get, like when you hear a big crash and you're worried that maybe, someone you love could be hurt or worse? I feel like that all the time.) All I can do is try to force myself on the truth and pray. I don't want to turn this topic in to a huge "woe is me" kind of thing. So I guess I'll stop. (There's a lot of reasons for the way I act, I just don't really want to talk about them, out loud. Anyone who would like, if you don't mind, to talk to me can PM me.)
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