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Marky Mark:
Hello Ricky.
Here is an email reply from Ray on the question of concern.Something to add to what Kat posted.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3966.0.html
Hello Ray,
I've been looking at the idea of the "unforgivable" sin. I decided to see what you had written on the subject (2 emails that you've placed on your website). Your corrections to the use of "never" made sense, especially in light of the idea of ages, rather than eternal.
But I read what you wrote a couple times and you never really responded to Luke 12:10.
There is no usage of "eternal", "ages", or "never".
But it does say "not" in a different way then the other scriptures.
"...but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven."
The fact that the sentence ends with "shall NOT be forgiven.", without any exceptions or limitations tacked on, seems to leave "not" as a concrete statement. There is no "for", "until", "through", or any other form of conjunction followed by a time frame to indicate an end... I know the other verses can indicate an end, but I don't see that in this one. Your insight?
Thanks.
Jojo
Dear Jojo:
I have probably answered this question a hundred times over the years. Not your specific Scripture, but any Scripture that indicates that someone will die in his sins, and not be forgiven, and not be in the kingdom of God, etc. What amazes me is that I cannot recall one time that anyone has presented this from the positive perspective. That is not one person has ever asked how someone could "NOT be forgiven," when there are dozens of and dozens of Scriptures that show that ALL shall be forgiven and saved. I would venture to say that 90% of all Bible questions that I am asked are concerning negative contradictions, or negative comments that I contradict the Scriptures.
First recognize, Jojo, that there is not this one Scripture which suggests that some "shall NOT be forgiven,:" but there are HUNDREDS of such Scriptures:
"...and he that believes not the Son shall NOT see life..." (John 3:36).
"...broad is the way that leads to DESTRUCTION..." (Matt. 7:13).
"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: DEPART FROM ME...." (Matt. 7:23).
"DESTROY Thou them, O God...CAST THEM OUT..." (Psalm 5:10).
"Who shall be punished with EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION...." (I Thes. 1:9).
"Whose END IS DESTRUCTION..." (Phil. 3:19). Etc., etc., etc.
Jojo, "broad is the way to destruction" IN THIS LIFE. Not one of these verses is
speaking of the final destiny of sinners. Judgment will save sinners in the resurrection:
"When Thy JUDGMENTS are in the earth, the inhabitants OF THE WORLD WILL
LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS" (Isa. 26:9). Is God going to eternally destroy and
not forgive "THE RIGHTEOUS?" This "save in this life ONLY" doctrine of Christendom
is one of the most damnable doctrines on the face of the earth.
God be with you,
Ray
Peace...Mark
Ricky:
Marques, Bible says in this age and the coming, they cannot be forgiven. I not sure if I understand it right or not, this age, meaning since the beginning of time or life as we know it ? and then the coming, does this mean the coming of Christ and His 1000 year reign, which would be the next age. And then they would be forgiven. And there would be 1 more age after that? the third age. I have heard somewhere that when God creates anything He does it in 3`s ex. water, air, soil have 3 components each to make them what they are, true or not I do not know. Can you add any info to this. Thanks
Bless you all. Ricky
aqrinc:
Hi Ricky,
A few Scriptures that may help to show ages talked about in Scripture.
Mat 12:32 (CLV)
And whosoever may be saying a word against the Son of Mankind, it will be pardoned him, yet whoever may be saying aught against the holy spirit, it shall not be pardoned him, neither in this eon nor in that which is impending.
Mat 12:32 (WNT)
And whoever shall speak against the Son of Man may obtain forgiveness; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, neither in this nor in the coming age shall he obtain forgiveness."
Eph 2:4-9(MKJV)
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for His great love with which He loved us
5 (even when we were dead in sins) has made us alive together with Christ (by grace you are saved),
6 and has raised us up together and made us sit together in the heavenlies in Christ Jesus,
7 so that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God,
9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Heb 13:8 (WNT)
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and to-day--yes, and to the ages to come.
Here is a link to more from Ray on unpardonable Sin:
http://bible-truths.com/email16.htm#unpardonable
Any place in Scripture that those things you mentioned in threes? are said to be significant.
george :).
Kat:
Hi Richy,
Here is an email about how many ages there may be.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1305.0.html -----
The Scriptures speak of "ageS" in the past (Rom. 16:25, II Tim. 1:9, Titus 1:2, ). So that would equal at least 2 or more ages before our present age.
The we have this "present evil age" (II Tim. 4:10, Titus 2:12, etc.) So that would equal 1 mone age.
Then we have "the on-coming ageS" (Eph. 2:7) and the "conclusion of the ageS" (Heb. 9:26). (Eph. 2:7). That would equal at least 2 or more future ages.
So now we are already up to a minimum of FIVE AGES.
God be with you,
Ray
Ricky:
Thanyou you all for your replys the more there is the easier it becomes.
Bless you all. Ricky
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