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Oatmeal

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Lake of Fire
« on: December 31, 2009, 10:49:21 PM »

How much worse is it to be purified in the lake of fire rather than now?
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From Micah 7:9:  By the grace and call of Yahweh I will bear the trials of the narrow way, because I have no love, until He fully shows me my sin and I am judged by Him.  He will bring me forth to the light, and I shall see His righteousness.

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Re: Lake of Fire
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2010, 12:56:00 AM »

How much worse is it to be purified in the lake of fire rather than now?

Hello Oatmeal,

The wicked & unbelieving are judged in wrath & indignation, which God's Elect are not subject to. Instead, we are judged in affliction & tribulation. The Exposing the Secret Rapture paper is a good, thorough study on this subject.


Excerpt from 'Exposing the Secret Rapture' (http://bible-truths.com/rapture.htm):

At this point in our discussion, it will be helpful to define some words that are often interchanged as if they are virtually one and the same. It is important that we understand the meanings of important words that are wrongly applied by those who teach the rapture:

    1. Affliction: Keyword Concordance, anguish, persecution, tribulation, trouble, ill treatment, suffering. Websterís: affliction, any cause of pain or suffering.

    AND

    2.Tribulation: Keyword Concordance, affliction Websterís: tribulation, great misery or distress

    VERSUS

    3.Wrath: Keyword Concordance, fury, indignation, vexation Websterís: wrath, intense anger, rage, fury, vengeance

    AND

    4.Indignation: Keyword Concd., anger, vengeance, wrath Websterís: Adj.-- indignation, expressing anger especially unjust or mean actions. Noun-- righteous anger.

Although there is somewhat of an overlap in defining these words, we can still get a clear picture as to how these words are used in the Scriptures. Notice that "affliction" and "tribulation" are nearly synonymous. Notice also, that "wrath" and "indignation" are nearly synonymous. "Affliction" can be defined as "tribulation," and "tribulation" can be defined as "affliction." Likewise, "wrath" can be defined as "indignation," and "indignation" can be defined as "wrath." But, the first two words, "affliction and tribulation" are not synonymous with the second two words, "wrath and indignation." There is a giant difference in their usage, and especially when used in a prophetic setting. I hope I havenít lost anyone. Reread this a few times and youíll get it.

It is when we fail to keep these prophetic events where they belong that we end up with ideas such that Christ is coming back a second time twice.

The Scripture says,

    "For God did not appoint us to INDIGNATION ..." (I Thes. 5:9).

It nowhere says that God has not appointed us to trials, troubles, pain, suffering, heartache, disappointment, disease, death, or hurricanes! In fact, Paul himself, tells us that we enter the Kingdom of God by going through a whole lot of these things (Acts 14:22).

I personally, presently, am going through trials, troubles, pain, suffering, heartache, disappointment, disease, and two very near death experiences in the past few years, not to mention hurricane Andrew. But, nonetheless, it is a great comfort to me to know that God has not appointed me to His indignation. Believers are chastised by a wise Father out of LOVE, the nations will be punished by an angry God out of VENGEANCE. Can we not see the difference? (Actually Godís "anger and vengeance" is also out of love, but the nations will certainly not initially perceive it as such).

When we look at all the ways that "indignation" is used in the Greek Scriptures, it becomes overwhelmingly clear that "indignation" is used of God to punish the wicked and stubborn. Indignation is not a direct form of chastisement. No matter how many, how much, how often, how severe your sufferings and tribulations may be, if you love God you can be absolutely guaranteed that not one iota of it is coming upon you in the form of Godís indignation. Here then is how, on whom, and when God pours out His indignation:

    "Progeny of vipers! Who intimates to you to be fleeing from the impending indignation?" (Matt. 3:7).

    "For Godís indignation is being revealed from heaven on all the irreverence and injustice of men ..." (Rom. 1:18).

    "Yet, in accord with your hardness and unrepentant heart you are hoarding for yourself indignation in the day of indignation and revelation of the just judgment of God ..." (Rom. 2:5).

    "Much rather, then, being now justified in His blood, we shall be saved from indignation, through Him" (Rom. 5:9).

    "Now if God, wanting to display His indignation and to make His powerful doings known, carries, with much patience, the vessels of indignation ..." (Rom. 9:22).

    "Being at peace with all mankind, you are not avenging yourselves, beloved, but be giving place to His indignation, for it is written, "Mine is vengeance! I will repay! The Lord is saying" (Rom. 12:19).

    "Let no one be seducing you with empty words, for because of these things the indignation of God is coming on the sons of stubbornness" (Eph. 5:6).

    "Deaden, then, your members that are on the earth: prostitution, uncleanness, passion, evil desire and greed, which is idolatry, because of which the indignation of God is coming on the sons of stubbornness ..." (Col. 3:5-6).

    "Wherefore, ĎI am disgusted with this generation, and said, Ever are they straying in heart; Yet they know not My ways,í As I swear in My indignation, If they shall be entering into My rest ...!" (Heb. 3:10-11).

    "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him Who is sitting on the throne, and from the indignation of the Lambkin, for the great day of Their indignation came, and who is able to stand? (Rev. 6:17).

    "And the nations are angered, and Thy indignation came, and the era for the dead to be judged, and to give their wages to Thy slaves, the prophets, and to the saints and to those fearing Thy name, the small and the great, and to blight those who are blighting the earth" (Rev. 11:18-19).

    "If anyone is worshiping the wild beast and its image, and is getting an emblem on his forehead or on his hand, he, also, is drinking of the wine of the fury of God, blended undiluted in the cup of His indignation, and he shall be tormented in fire and sulfur in the sight of the holy messengers and in the sight of the Lambkin" (Rev. 14:10).

    "And Babylon the great is brought to remembrance in the sight of God, to give her the cup of the wine of the fury of His indignation" (Rev. 16:19).

    "And He is treading the wine trough of the fury of the indignation of God, the Almighty" (Rev. 19:16).

There are the Greek Scriptures on indignation. Notice that it always comes from God. It is poured out in vengeance upon the unrepentant, the stubborn, the unjust and irreverent, those who worship the beast, etc. Never is Godís indignation poured out on His SAINTS! Not the Gentile saints and not the Jewish saints. The saints of Israel have not "been appointed to indignation", they are not "of the night," they will not "be overtaken as a thief," they are a part of "all the saints," I Thes. 2:14 and 3:13.

It is stated that those called in Paulís message of grace will not go through the Great Tribulation period, because:

    "Jesus, our Rescuer out of the coming indignation" (I Thes. 1:10),

and

    "God did not appoint us to indignation ..." (I Thes. 5:9).

But look at our definitions of words again. God is promising to rescue us out of coming "indignation," not "tribulation." God did not appoint us to "indignation," but He did appoint us to "tribulation." These terms are not synonymous.



Hope this helps,

Marques


P.S. Good email reply from Ray (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1475.msg12504.html#msg12504):

Dear Mark:
    You should be living exactly as God has directed you to be living. Of course, I have never ever said one single word about anyone "going to heaven," as you suggest. However, being saved and given entrance into the Kingdom of God is a privledge granted to the Chosen Elect only ("many are called but FEW are chosen").  Those not in the first resurrection to reign with Christ in the Kingdom of God will be in the resurrection to Judgment.  That Judgment will not be a walk in the park, and so it behooves us all to be living godly lives NOW.
    God be with you,
    Ray
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Oatmeal

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Re: Lake of Fire
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2010, 03:44:13 AM »

Thanks very much for that Marques
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From Micah 7:9:  By the grace and call of Yahweh I will bear the trials of the narrow way, because I have no love, until He fully shows me my sin and I am judged by Him.  He will bring me forth to the light, and I shall see His righteousness.
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