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Early church fathers?
Lupac:
Okay, I've been studying what the early church taught, and it seems to me that they believed in nether eternal torment, nor that Jesus would safe all, but in "conditional immortality", meaning those who are not Christ's would be annihilated. Supposedly, Barnabas, Ignatius, Polycarp, and Justin Martyr all believed in "eternal death". I know Polycarp wasn't a very good Christian anyway, I think he's the one that said the teaching of hell wasn't truthful, but useful. Anyway, did any of the "church fathers" believe Christ would save all? (The earliest ones, not Origen.) I know Paul said that as soon as he left, the "wolves" were coming to deceive the flock. Thanks.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Lupac on January 13, 2010, 10:10:56 AM ---Okay, I've been studying what the early church taught, and it seems to me that they believed in nether eternal torment, nor that Jesus would safe all, but in "conditional immortality", meaning those who are not Christ's would be annihilated. Supposedly, Barnabas, Ignatius, Polycarp, and Justin Martyr all believed in "eternal death". I know Polycarp wasn't a very good Christian anyway, I think he's the one that said the teaching of hell wasn't truthful, but useful. Anyway, did any of the "church fathers" believe Christ would save all? (The earliest ones, not Origen.) I know Paul said that as soon as he left, the "wolves" were coming to deceive the flock. Thanks.
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Excuse me Lupac but who cares what the 'early church fathers' taught? I thought we were following Christ, not 'church fathers'.
Jesus has a doctrine, we don't need to follow another one:
John 7:16-17 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but His that sent me. If any man will do His will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
1 John 4:14 We have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world
Jesus Christ is the chief cornerstone of His church...no other foundation can be laid which is Jesus. Our faith begins and ends with Him...we are complete in Jesus.
Marques
Lupac:
I am trying to follow Christ, but I thought the early "fathers" would be closer to the truth than what came later.
Sorry for trying to get to the bottom of everything.
Samson:
--- Quote from: Lupac on January 13, 2010, 11:17:42 AM ---I am trying to follow Christ, but I thought the early "fathers" would be closer to the truth than what came later.
Sorry for trying to get to the bottom of everything.
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Lupac,
Marques is right, it doesn't really matter what the Early Church(2nd-4th Century) believed, but what the Scriptures testify, don't forget the Church " Fathers" were laden with errors too; Immortality of the Soul, Annihilation, Bodily Resurrection of Christ, Adam & Eve created Flawless in Character(Spiritually Perfect), A literal physical future punishment, even if remedial, etc, etc. However, I sent you a PM attempting to help you on this regarding the Universal Reconcilation of All, as that, in some form was the prevailing Doctrine regarding the fate of Human Kind for at least 4-5 Centuries. You will have to do alittle work by reading and researching the references I sent you. If you have any problems, PM me back, but you must make the effort, the tools are there.
Hope This Helps, Samson.
Lupac:
Thank you all. I guess I see the men closest to Jesus and His apostles, even the apostles themselves as having perfect teaching, when Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the only perfect teachers...
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