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Did the Father ever have a beginning? Where is the Scriptural proof?
TRUTH281:
How do we know He never had a beginning? Is there any Scriptural proof that the Father never had a beginning? Everlasting God really means "the God of the ages", so that's not proof. I know this isn't relavent, but everyone says the Father never had a beginning and I say where is the Scriptural proof? And if there isn't any Scriptural proof then don't make the assumption.
Thanks,
Jake from Baytown, TX
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: TRUTH281 on January 23, 2010, 10:40:41 PM ---How do we know He never had a beginning? Is there any Scriptural proof that the Father never had a beginning? Everlasting God really means "the God of the ages", so that's not proof. I know this isn't relavent, but everyone says the Father never had a beginning and I say where is the Scriptural proof? And if there isn't any Scriptural proof then don't make the assumption.
Thanks,
Jake from Baytown, TX
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Excuse me Jake, but what is your point? It seems like you're asking a question so you can answer it yourself.
God tells us that all is of Him or out of Him, including Christ. So if all is out of Him, what does that exclude that could bring forth the Father? We can either believe that all is of God or not. That's living by faith, accepting God at His Word and trusting in Him.
I don't know what's going on lately, but a couple of members keep asking for scriptural proof from the scriptures themselves. It's like people want proof that what God says is true, no one wants to live by faith.
Marques
Akira329:
Jake,
God of the ages doesn't do it for you huh?
Before you make your point, here are some scriptures to consider:
Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
Pro 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Pro 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
Pro 8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
Pro 8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
Pro 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
Pro 8:31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Act 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Act 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Hope this helps
Antaiwan
myms:
Forgive me for saying but I think the following is a rather unhelpful response from a moderator:
I don't know what's going on lately, but a couple of members keep asking for scriptural proof from the scriptures themselves. It's like people want proof that what God says is true, no one wants to live by faith.
You only have to read a few of Ray's responses to emails to notice how often he accuses the email writers of making assumptions, and his reply is always to point them back to the scriptures. Of course we need faith, but faith has to be grounded in the word.
As to the question asked by Jake ...... I live with an atheist and the beginnings of God is always his big punch when he hopes to knock my faith down. So please don't knock the questions asked here, you have no idea what circumstances, tests and reasons questions are asked, and a harsh answer may prevent the more timid from contributing. If you suspect the motives of the questioner why not use a private response?
Just my thoughts, no offence meant, and I hope none taken.
myms
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: myms on January 24, 2010, 04:56:00 AM ---Forgive me for saying but I think the following is a rather unhelpful response from a moderator:
I don't know what's going on lately, but a couple of members keep asking for scriptural proof from the scriptures themselves. It's like people want proof that what God says is true, no one wants to live by faith.
You only have to read a few of Ray's responses to emails to notice how often he accuses the email writers of making assumptions, and his reply is always to point them back to the scriptures. Of course we need faith, but faith has to be grounded in the word.
As to the question asked by Jake ...... I live with an atheist and the beginnings of God is always his big punch when he hopes to knock my faith down. So please don't knock the questions asked here, you have no idea what circumstances, tests and reasons questions are asked, and a harsh answer may prevent the more timid from contributing. If you suspect the motives of the questioner why not use a private response?
Just my thoughts, no offence meant, and I hope none taken.
myms
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Myms,
That was not the only response I gave, just a point needed to be made. What I am saying is, some people want proof that what God says is true. There are certain things we have to live by faith on, that's all. Living by faith is trusting what God says. If 2-3 scriptures are given, what more can anyone give?
I meant no offense just something to take a look at, within ourselves.
Also, the scriptures tell us to have an answer for anyone who asks of the hope we have in us, not to win a debate with them. When we find ourselves simply wanting to win an argument with an unbeliever, it becomes less about spreading the good news but rather our pride and ego taking over.
Marques
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