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Not tempted by God
aqrinc:
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--- Quote from: mmijares on February 01, 2010, 09:12:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on February 01, 2010, 01:07:57 PM ---I reckon He did, Roy. We weren't created for ease in the garden. Thy will be done, Thy Kingdom come. That's the meaning of Life.
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Several times I heard Ray in his free will subject that God did not or will never tempt any man.
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My reply was to Roy's statement that God seems to have set mankind up, not that He had tempted man. I'll go a little further and say that God created ME too weak to resist temptation forever, not just Adam. I really have not needed much 'temptation' at all in my life--no matter the source. I know that there is nothing good in me, and if anything good ever does bubble up from the well of my heart, it's because HE is the water of Life.
If that's not what you were talking about, then we'll meet again. :D
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Jas 1:12-15 (KJV)
12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
george :).
mmijares:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on February 01, 2010, 09:56:58 PM ---
--- Quote from: mmijares on February 01, 2010, 09:12:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on February 01, 2010, 01:07:57 PM ---I reckon He did, Roy. We weren't created for ease in the garden. Thy will be done, Thy Kingdom come. That's the meaning of Life.
--- End quote ---
Several times I heard Ray in his free will subject that God did not or will never tempt any man.
--- End quote ---
My reply was to Roy's statement that God seems to have set mankind up, not that He had tempted man. I'll go a little further and say that God created ME too weak to resist temptation forever, not just Adam. I really have not needed much 'temptation' at all in my life--no matter the source. I know that there is nothing good in me, and if anything good ever does bubble up from the well of my heart, it's because HE is the water of Life.
If that's not what you were talking about, then we'll meet again. :D
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That is actually what I was talking about.... God need not to tempt us...just as you said...there is nothing good in us... and we easily succumb to the lust of our flesh.
Your statement "I reckon He (God) did"... seemed to imply that God did tempt, because Roy, in his first post, put it as "It seems that God did tempt them", and not "to have set-up mankind."
Thanks for clarification! :)
barrabus:
When I was young my parents told me not to take drugs. No matter how much I heard about how they made you feel, etc by my peers and by what I read and saw in the media, it was mainly curiosity and my rebellious nature that caused me to try them... (to eat from the tree of knowledge)... then once I'd tried them it became a temptation... (I knew I was naked)... this analogy applied to any sinful practice... I participated in... sex, drugs, drinking to excess... I think God can teach us both in the form of an allegory and thru a Historical story at the same time... I often contemplate about the nature of sin and man's sinful nature as being portrayed so well in Genesis chapter 3... I don't know exactly how to put it in words but there is definately a differance between the temptation of doing something that I have already experienced and the temptation of doing something out of curiosity... or because of my sinful nature...
Roy Martin:
Mijares, I simply want to be prepared to give an account of what might be asked me.
Since God is responsible, then I thought it interesting of all the elements involved that led up to the eating of the tree. Being made weak, the tree, Satan. God made all of them, but I didn't say God tempted.
I believe that Ray said Eve sinned before she ate by lusting of the tree. God put it there.
I know what that looks like to some, just as the way they see the LOF as eternal.
To study something and question is not the same as study and doubt or unbelieving.
I say it again that I know God didn't tempt, because the scriptures say so. I did say it looks as though He tempted. That is not the same as suggesting He tempted.
Mark answered very well with the link he provided.
Now I understand something even more, in that the temptation is already in us in this weak heart just like a flower is in a plant even before the flower is seen, or a tree in the winter with no leaves to be seen ,yet they are in there, in the tree. Its the photo period of light that brings them forth, and makes them go away each year.
The tree God placed there was merely the instrument that brought it forth like the photo period that triggers all plants to bring forth something or put away such as the leafs falling.
Roy
lauriellen:
great thread....and while i do agree that God himself does not tempt any man, i came accross this scripture and is very confusing to me:
Gen 22:1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt
Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.
how do we deal with these scriptures?....has ray ever addressed this particular one....it almost reminds me of what ray says about "God is love...show me a scripture that says 'God isn't love'.".....this sure seems to say that God does tempt, yet i know other scriptures say He doesn't. help!
lauriellen
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