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Meaning Of Theos
Roy Coates:
arisingson,
I didn't see where Ray mentioned Mary in his email response. Also Ray has taught on Jesus' beginning and I cant remember if that is how it was worded or not. Nor can I find the link to the teaching. I remember something about Jesus being birthed out of wisdom. Jesus was long before Mary. Sorry I cannot be any more help at this time but I will look it up or another member may post it.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: ARisingSon on February 13, 2010, 06:30:16 PM ---Samson,
Regarding Ray's response to Warren, if God (El Elyon?) did not become THE FATHER till Mary conceived Jesus Christ wouldn't that mean there was no Son till then? And if that be true, who were Elohim, El Shaddai and Yahweh in the Old Testament? Grace be with you. Earl
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Hello Earl,
It might be a good idea to simply email Ray and ask for further clarification. Though Jesus may not have been a 'Son' until He was conceived, He nonetheless was/is/will be I AM and through Whom came all creation.
1 Cor 8:6 ...to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all
'Elohim, El Shaddai, and Yahweh' simply refer to God/Creator/Placer/etc...it is not a formal name but rather a title.
Hope this helps,
Marques
G. Driggs:
--- Quote from: ARisingSon on February 13, 2010, 06:30:16 PM ---Samson,
Regarding Ray's response to Warren, if God (El Elyon?) did not become THE FATHER till Mary conceived Jesus Christ wouldn't that mean there was no Son till then? And if that be true, who were Elohim, El Shaddai and Yahweh in the Old Testament? Grace be with you. Earl
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Hi Earl, after reading and re-reading Ray's response to Darren, I do not see where he (Ray) said anything about Mary. But I do know where Ray has said when Jesus was conceived.
Excerpt from Nashville Conference 2008 - audio #7, 8a, 8b, 9 and 10
@ http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,8385.0.html
Jesus said “I came out from Thee.” Where did Jesus come from? Did He come out of the Virgin Mary, is that where Jesus really came from? No. I mean I know that people believe that is where Jesus came from, out of the Virgin Mary. He did, but He was before that. Jesus plainly says “I came out from Thee,” the Father. He came out of the Father and He was before He became the Messiah. He was sent to be the Messiah from back in the Old Testament times.
It plainly says He was conceived of or by the Holy Spirit of God the Father. We’re in John 17:8, back up a couple verses and Christ says,
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify Thou Me with Thine own self with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.
He was glorified in His Father before there was a world, it says so. In Philippians it said He was made.
Php 2:7 But made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
It means emptied. He emptied Himself of His divinity and became in the form of man. That isn’t where He came from, He didn’t originate in a human baby. He emptied Himself into a little baby to become in the form of a man.
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Hope this helps
Peace, G.Driggs
Roy Coates:
well done G. Driggs that was the lesson I was looking for.
Samson:
--- Quote from: ARisingSon on February 13, 2010, 06:30:16 PM ---Samson,
Regarding Ray's response to Warren, if God (El Elyon?) did not become THE FATHER till Mary conceived Jesus Christ wouldn't that mean there was no Son till then? And if that be true, who were Elohim, El Shaddai and Yahweh in the Old Testament? Grace be with you. Earl
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Hi Earl,
I wasn't insinuating that God The Father became a Father when Mary gave birth to Jesus, but when Jesus as The Word in his PreHuman Existence was Begotten of the Father(John. 1:18; John. 1:1; Rev. 3:14; Col. 1:15; Phil. 2:9-11; John. 1:14). Sorry for the confusion.
Kind Regards, Samson.
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