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Are all men new creatures in Christ?

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rocky:
2Cr 5:16   So that we henceforth have known no one according to the flesh, and even if we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know him no more;

2 Cr 5:17   so that if any one [is] in Christ -- [he is] a new creature; the old things did pass away, lo, become new have the all things.

2Cr 5:14   for the love of the Christ doth constrain us, having judged thus: that if one for all died, then the whole died,

2Cr 5:15   and for all he died, that those living, no more to themselves may live, but to him who died for them, and was raised again.


Are all men in Christ, and therefore we are to look at no man as after the flesh, we are all new creatures in Christ??

or


are only those who no longer live for themselves "in Christ" and the ones that are not in the flesh???

chrissiela:
here's something to consider Rocky:

Rom 14:1  Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

Rom 14:2  For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

Rom 14:3  Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Rom 14:4  Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Rom 14:5  One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Rom 14:6  He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Rom 14:7  For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

Rom 14:8  For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

Rom 14:9  For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

Rom 14:10  But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Rom 14:11  For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Rom 14:12  So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Rom 14:13  Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.[/list:u]

Chrissie

eutychus:
i see that the law has passed we no longer follow the law in the flesh but in the spirit.

to follow the law lawfully means just that, CHRIST.

the end of the law, hence, we no longer walk after the flesh/law

we walk after the spirit and life.




Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.



good topic.

peace
chuckt

rocky:
Thanks Chrissie for the scriptures you listed.  This one really hit home with me.  

Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.


I have been having trouble not judging an individual i know, who claims Christ as her savior, yet lives the opposite.  Claims love and yet walks with the world.  Hard for me to not feel a little "proud" of myself for not desiring that lifestyle anymore.  

Last night as I was praying, I realized that, the desire in me to not want to walk with the world has nothing to do with me, my flesh hasn't been converted and never will be.  

The only reason is Christ in me is doing it.  Very humbling to realize, that the only good thing I can do is by Christ doing it through me.  It is also hard for me to fully trust God that his plan with every person is on the correct timing, God's timing.  

If we look at man by the flesh, there is alot to judge.  Looking at them through the blood of Christ makes things a lot easier to trust, love, and forgive.

chrissiela:
Yes, Rocky I know exactly what you mean. Very much a case of "lip service", as with those who cry “Lord, Lord” and say that they have done 'this' or 'that' in His name, but in response to them the Lord says: "I never knew you". Those who profess to know God, but deny him in their works.

I agree with you that it is a struggle that we have with the flesh, our carnal nature wanting to judge others and ourselves, usually judging ourselves quite a bit more leniently than how we judge others. I wish I could remember a quote that I saw someone use once (maybe even here, not sure)… about that very thing. Something about how we judge ourselves based on “intentions”, but others based on “results”. Man, I forget… but I thought it was so true.

We, knowing our own intentions and motivations, can oftentimes be much more lenient and forgiving of ourselves than we are of others.

I think that we can also have very unrealistic expectations of others because we expect from others what we expect from ourselves. I think that this plays out both positively and negatively and we can end up making very inaccurate assumptions about others because of it.

Trusting, loving and forgiving others is certainly, as you say, the workmanship of God that must be worked in each and every one of us if we are to be transformed into the image of His Son and be made into a “new creature”.

It’s no wonder that it is in our PATIENCE that we possess our souls.

Chrissie

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