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moving in the supernatural
Fester:
Several people are experiencing the Super Natural right now in
British Columbia, Canada!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwSCHRQCIBY
Gotta be there!
coryd123:
Thank you for all your responses. I agree the saving the soul is more precious than miraculous healing or wonders and that every day is supernatural but I was just trying to get more understanding on visions, casting out demons and healing because it's definably part of the body of Christ and it's still going on today as Roy said he experienced it and it is spiritual warfare going on and as it is in heaven it will be done on thy earth and god works through his people especially HIS SAINTS, ELECT, OR CHOSEN for it to be established and I was just seeing if anyone on here has been anointed to do that. Also I know that GOD is the cause behind all things and he causes and prompts us to pray for ourselves and other people. Where im going with this is that I stand on the promises of GOD and I don't want to be as Babylon that my main focus is on the carnal glamor of gods word. Ok let me get to the point. I have read all about rays teachings on praying and asking god for his will to be done and we will always have are prayers answered and I have found that to be true to a certain degree because gods will will be done no matter how we pray because what ever you pray is what GOD already pre-ordained for you to pray but that is the correct way to pray in most cases but that was not always true in the bible especially when it came to casting out a devil or healing someone. Most the disciples said I command or come out of her and used Jesus name they did not always say father let thy will be done because they new they were anointed with the power under certain circumstances to have signs and wonders and (SPIRITUAL TRUTH TO GO ALONG WITH THE SIGNS AND WONDERS) to ask in thy name and receive. I just would like to know more truth about what authority GOD has given us to prompt us to have a vision or maybe cast out a devil or heal someone physically. Again let me reiterate that spiritual healing is more important than physical healing and that THROUGH MUCH TRIBULATION WILL WEE SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD so sometimes we have to go through sickness and oppression. I pray that someone on here gives me a clear understanding on what authority we may have as as far as gods promises ON what I can stand on with the supernatural of GODS kingdom? And also am I wrong for wanting to know the truth about this subject because it has not been taught much on here and I know one can deny that it was a nice size part of Jesus ministry matter a fact somewhere around 2/3 of Jesus meetings with multitudes he was healing or casting and yea I do understand that a lot of them did not repent after his miracles but it may have converted some of them to the knowledge of the truth and its still a nice part of ministry and Paul and many other disciples and is still going on today and also I have read the scripture as you all pointed out that there are many that will come with signs and wonders that are false and I definably don't wish to be one of them. Please correct me if anything I said does not line up with scripture. Help! Thank you all.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: coryd123 on February 18, 2010, 09:11:41 PM ---Thank you for all your responses. I agree the saving the soul is more precious than miraculous healing or wonders and that every day is supernatural but I was just trying to get more understanding on visions, casting out demons and healing because it's definably part of the body of Christ and it's still going on today
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Hello Cory,
Paul spoke of the 'gifts' within the body of Christ 'vanishing away', so I don't know why you believe it would 'still be going on' in any great capacity.
--- Quote from: coryd123 on February 18, 2010, 09:11:41 PM --- as Roy said he experienced it and it is spiritual warfare going on and as it is in heaven it will be done on thy earth and god works through his people especially HIS SAINTS, ELECT, OR CHOSEN for it to be established and I was just seeing if anyone on here has been anointed to do that.
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Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places
But 'how' do we wrestle with this powers and principalities? Do we 'shout & yell' that people be healed in the name of Jesus or tell demons to come out of a person?
2 Cor 10:3-5 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
God gives us His spirit and works in us to repent and overcome our flesh. God tells us that in establishing the new covenant, He put His spiritual law into our hearts & minds [Heb 8:10, 10:16]. It's a matter of one's thoughts & desires being aligned with the righteousness of God...for out of the heart, the mouth speaks [Matt 12:34, Luke 6:45]
--- Quote from: coryd123 on February 18, 2010, 09:11:41 PM --- Also I know that GOD is the cause behind all things and he causes and prompts us to pray for ourselves and other people. Where im going with this is that I stand on the promises of GOD and I don't want to be as Babylon that my main focus is on the carnal glamor of gods word. Ok let me get to the point. I have read all about rays teachings on praying and asking god for his will to be done and we will always have are prayers answered and I have found that to be true to a certain degree
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'To a certain degree'? That's not true at all...God works all things (not all things to a certain degree) after the counsel of His own Will.
--- Quote from: coryd123 on February 18, 2010, 09:11:41 PM --- because gods will will be done no matter how we pray because what ever you pray is what GOD already pre-ordained for you to pray but that is the correct way to pray in most cases but that was not always true in the bible especially when it came to casting out a devil or healing someone. Most the disciples said I command or come out of her and used Jesus name they did not always say father let thy will be done because they new they were anointed with the power under certain circumstances to have signs and wonders and (SPIRITUAL TRUTH TO GO ALONG WITH THE SIGNS AND WONDERS) to ask in thy name and receive.
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What kind of reasoning is that? Just because the apostles didn't make a big spectacle of saying 'thy will be done' does not mean that was not in their heart. The apostles did not will, of their own independence, any of the miracles they performed nor even thought that what they were doing was not of the Father's Will:
Paul - 1 Cor 1:1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God...
Writer of Hebrews - Heb 6:3 this will we do, if God permit.
James - James 4:15 For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that
Peter - 1 Pet 3:17 For it is better, if the will of God be so...
John - John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
--- Quote from: coryd123 on February 18, 2010, 09:11:41 PM --- I just would like to know more truth about what authority GOD has given us to prompt us to have a vision or maybe cast out a devil or heal someone physically.
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When has the Lord ever given someone authority to bring about their own visions? God always brings the vision to the individual.
If the Lord moves or inspires someone, anyone, on this earth to 'cast out a demon' or 'heal someone' then that person will do it. We shouldn't worry about potentially missing the calling that God has for us...it is God who works IN us both to will and to do [Phil 2:13]...He does the works.
--- Quote from: coryd123 on February 18, 2010, 09:11:41 PM --- Again let me reiterate that spiritual healing is more important than physical healing and that THROUGH MUCH TRIBULATION WILL WEE SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD so sometimes we have to go through sickness and oppression. I pray that someone on here gives me a clear understanding on what authority we may have as as far as gods promises ON what I can stand on with the supernatural of GODS kingdom?
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Cory, what you are basically saying is that someone who repents of the hellfire doctrine, free will, and any other corrupt, pagan doctrine by the spirit of God is not 'supernatural' enough for you...you need to 'see' a miracle. That is carnal reasoning and understanding at it's worse.
Do you know that 'carnal' can also be defined as 'natural'? So technically, you are seeking a super carnal display of the flesh. Why would you want to have authority and dominion of the flesh seeing that the flesh profits nothing? God is making us into ministers of flames [Heb 1:7, Ps 104:4] for the express purpose of judging the world and the heavenly hosts [1 Cor 6:2-3].
Also remember, this current wicked age belongs to Satan [2 Cor 4:4, Matt 4:8-9]...though all power comes from above [John 19:11]. That is why sickness, death, pain, etc. runs rampant...and it is only going to get worse and worse until Christ comes to put all enemies (including sickness, false doctrines, pain, character flaws, and ultimately death]) under His footstool [1 Cor 15:25].
--- Quote from: coryd123 on February 18, 2010, 09:11:41 PM --- And also am I wrong for wanting to know the truth about this subject because it has not been taught much on here and I know one can deny that it was a nice size part of Jesus ministry matter a fact somewhere around 2/3 of Jesus meetings with multitudes he was healing or casting and yea I do understand that a lot of them did not repent after his miracles but it may have converted some of them to the knowledge of the truth and its still a nice part of ministry
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Yes, it certainly was a wonderful attribute of Christ's ministry but no, it did not convert many, if at all:
John 6:26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
Matt 27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children
Christ healing the multitudes and calling out His disciples was a shadow of 'greater things to come' [John 5:20, 14:12].
--- Quote from: coryd123 on February 18, 2010, 09:11:41 PM --- and Paul and many other disciples and is still going on today and also I have read the scripture as you all pointed out that there are many that will come with signs and wonders that are false and I definably don't wish to be one of them. Please correct me if anything I said does not line up with scripture. Help! Thank you all.
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John 6:27-29 Labour not for the meat which perisheth [or works of the flesh which do not SPIRITUALLY make one whole], but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life [conversion of mind & heart; seeking after the Kingdom], which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Hope this helps,
Marques
Roy Coates:
Marques nice work
F@lgn0n:
--- Quote ---So technically, you are seeking a super carnal display of the flesh.
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LOL - Been there, done that .... ::)
Coryd - there is at least ONE promise of God that you can unequivocally count on:
Isa 46:10
"Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: "
Peace.
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