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F@lgn0n:
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Please don't be discouraged.

I also have wrestled endlessly with the issue of not knowing where I stand exactly, or what to do next, or what to ask God, or to "trust Him for" ...
I was taught in Babylon to "excercise my faith" and "stand" on the promises of God, and "believe God for my miracle".
For a veeery long time I just could not get my head around this idea that we TRUST GOD - No matter WHAT THE OUTCOME! We ask Him to help people, we ask Him to heal people, we ask Him to deliver people from demonic oppression or influence, but WE TRUST HIM FOR THE OUTCOME - WHATEVER THAT MAY BE.

Here is the lesson I started learning BEFORE I finally left Babylon - in fact, it was a KEY THING that brought about my decision to eventually leave:

Job 13:15  Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him

Peace.

onelovedread:
Hi coryd123
I have had what I believe to be a super natural encounter with GOD? Actually two.
Firstly, just as you described, I believe the spirit of GOD dragged us and personally, me to Ray's Site. The first time I read the emails from others to him, and his replies,  I thought he was deluded and in gross error. Then miraculously I was drawn there again and it was as if scales fell off of my eyes. I then started studying many of his articles and rejoiced in the liberating truth.
When I shared that in my introduction to this forum, other members expressed that they had similar experiences. To me that's pretty miraculous, since I was "christened" as a Catholic, then moved to evangelical fellowships in my earlier adulthood. So you know how messed up I was with firstly the catechism and then all the stuff that most "Christians" believe such as everlasting torture in hell for unbelievers, the trinity, etc.
But secondly, I had a physical experience which I believe is a super natural encounter with GOD. It happened a few years ago. I awoke one Thanksgiving morning with severe vertigo. The slightest movement would cause me to become extremely dizzy and nauseous. I suffered for almost 2 weeks and found a way to cope with much discomfort. Then one Tuesday evening I went early to a prayer meeting in Brooklyn, NY. About an hour before the start, I was up at the front of the chapel with other believers. I was standing there reflecting on the scene in Revelation 5. And I remember just praising God and saying "Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!" I was filled with a desire to praise and worship God, and with my eyes closed I raised my hands and just started thanking and praising Him. All of a sudden I heard a loud popping sound. It sounded somewhat like the popping of a champagne cork. And instantly I knew my vertigo was gone. I shook my head vigorously, made sudden turns which would have brought on the dizziness, and there was no more discomfort. I was perfectly fine, and all I could do was to thank God for that miraculous healing. Since then, I have shared that experience with many fellow believers.
I do not know if my fellow members on this forum would agree that this was supernatural, but I have to say that I am convinced it was. And since then that condition has never returned. I think that God is omniscient, but He has His purposes and plans. So if there is no miraculous sign from Him, that's cool with me. I just want to know Him more and to be counted worthy. I have the utmost confidence in His wisdom and none in my self without His spiritual empowerment. But He can do all, He operates all and He is all powerful and wise.
I hope that helps answer some of your question
Onelovedread

Kat:

Hi Coryd,

Here is an email on this subject.

http://bible-truths.com/email10.htm#miracles -------------

Hello Ray,
 
I have three questions:

I would like to know what you believe scripture to say on the subject of healing for today.
 
Do you think we are able to do the same miracles as Jesus? If so, why do we not see this more often?
 
The scripture in John 14: 13, 14.  Why don't our petitions get answered like Jesus said?
Thank you for your time,

Cindy

[Ray Replies]

Dear Cindy:

Many assume that the statements that Jesus made to his eleven apostles on the evening of His arrest, were a blanket statement to all believers to follow, for all time. This is not so.

Jesus did do many miracles through His apostles after His death and resurrection. He promised them the gift of the Holy Spirit (Comforter), which would give them faith and power to spread His gospel message.

This came true fifty days later on the Day of Pentecost. The apostles were given the gift of tongues so that they could even speak in foreign languages which none of them had ever studied. They were able to heal the sick. And they even RAISED THE DEAD. Peter and Paul both RAISED THE DEAD.

These special miracle gifts did not follow all generations of the church. Even later in the ministry of the apostles, God began to withdraw these gifts. No one was raised from the dead in their later ministry. Paul said that "tongues would cease" in I Cor. 13. Only "faith, hope [expectation] and charity [love]" were to "NOW remain...."  Some of Paul best friends and servants in spreading the gospel were sick and not healed. Paul told his dear friend Timothy, to "take a little wine for thy stomach's sake, and thine OFT [MANY] INFIRMITIES. God did NOT heal them. Do we think that Paul did not even ask?

Many in the charismatic church try to make a carnival exhibition of such gifts, but I am afraid all they do is deceive.

However, with that said, does God no longer perform miracles or healings? Yes, He does. I have seen and experienced them. Does He always heal? Does He always alleviate our problems and trials? NO. Why should we pray for God to TAKE AWAY all the things that are absolutely NECESSARY FOR OUR FAITH AND PERFECTION?

Don't neglect to ask God for EVERYTHING you feel you should have. But don't be disappointed if God allows you to CONTINUE IN YOUR TRIALS. Sometimes He removes certain trials after a period of time. We do not know when and how or even if God will do this that or the other thing, so we keep praying.  I ask for STRENGTH AND FAITH to face my trials and OVERCOME my flesh. I no longer pray for God to make me HEALTHY, WEALTHY AND WISE, with absolutely no price to pay for such privileges.

This site is an answer to prayer. My understanding of the Scriptures is an answer to prayer. Everything I have is an answer to prayer. I pray for others and many times, GOD ANSWERS MY PRAYERS! But I do NOT always heal the sick through my prayers, I do not make people wealthy through my prayers, and I have NEVER raised the dead through my prayers. So don't stop praying!! And ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, thank God for all that you have.

And then, don't WORRY about anything. Phil. 4:6 is a terrible translation in the KJV. Instead of "Be careful in nothing..." it should read:

"DON'T WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING..."

God be with you,

Ray

LiberatedEagle:
Amen.

Ricky:
Hi, I am a bit confused on something, maybe the mods. can help out with this. I am very happy for anyone that believers they have had a healing from God. Onelovedread was in a chaple when this event happened. My question is how does this event fit with Rev.18. 4 and it sounds like the Lord does dwell in some churches hmmm, maybe I should start checking out a few.
          Ricky

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