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"Torment" word study.
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Lupac
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It is well that you are attempting to pay attention to the words. :)
1Jn 4:18 Love has in it no element of fear; but perfect love drives away fear, because FEAR INVOLVES PAIN, and if a man gives way to fear, there is something imperfect in his love.(YNT)
1Jn 4:18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear, because FEAR HAS TORMENT. He who fears has not been perfected in love. (MKJV)
1Jn 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.(KJV)
The point of these various translations is to show you that the nature of fear is torment that involves pain.
Fear is dread, terror, horror, panic, alarm, fright, trepidation and foreboding.
Punishment is sentence, penalty, chastisement, reprimand or retribution.
God will properly curtail, correct or chastise those who require conversion. To the less wicked Gods correction will feel less like punishment than to those most wicked who’s chastisement and reprimand will feel like wrathful revenge.
Isa 28:27 For the fitches are not threshed with a threshing instrument, neither is a cart wheel turned about upon the cummin; but the fitches are beaten out with a staff, and the cummin with a rod.
Isa 28:28 Bread corn is bruised; because he will not ever be threshing it, nor break it with the wheel of his cart, nor bruise it with his horsemen.
Isa 28:29 This also cometh forth from the LORD of hosts, which is wonderful in counsel, and excellent in working.
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daywalker:
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--- Quote ---1Jn 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment*. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
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Now, here's my question. All these verses seem to have chastisement as being a correct translation. The wicked going into eonion chastisement. The Pharisees wanting to punish (chastise, maybe? In their mind.) the Apostles. And the unjust men being chastised by God. But, 1 John 4:18 doesn't seem to fit. Fear hath "chastisement"? YLT has it as "fear hath punishment". Any help? Thanks.
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Hello Lupac,
I don't understand how you can say it doesn't fit? It seems to fit just fine to me...
As a child when you do something wrong do you not fear being 'chastised' by your parents? Sure you could call it 'punishment', but chastisement is more specific, because your parents are rebuking you for your transgressions with the purpose of teaching you the right way. ...But that's what you fear when you sin--being 'chastised' for it. For even though the chastisement/rebuking/punishment is for a good cause--correcting your sins--the actual chastisement/rebuking/punishment can be quite painful.
Furthermore, those of us who have the desire to overcome our sins, and learn to act on love always, will 'chastise' ourselves whenever we fail. "For if we judge ourselves..."
"...perfect love casts out fear..." but when we fall short of 'perfect love' then fear kicks in because we know a judgment awaits.
Daywalker 8)
Lupac:
That makes perfect sense. Thank you.
Marlene:
Lupac, I had fear and I know my love was not made perfect. I had been looking at all the things I am, instead of all the things God sees . He sees me made in his image. We can get so caught up in fear. Fear is a sin. To me God, showed me I did not really believe and trust him. One, before coming here I did not know him. I thought he would torture me to death for everything I have done. I would say I believe and go and take things back that I said, I would give to him. We can trust God he would never torture us.
I no longer fear him and now I look only to him. I know, what is in my Beast, but now I know he is changing it day by day. He loves you more then any human being ever can. When, we trust him and lean not on our own understanding the fear will go.
We condemn ourself by not looking at how he sees us. He showed me that to have fear was not of him. If, we love him we obey him. Israel saw all kinds of miracles, but could not see his love. Until we really understand that he had the victory over everything and everything being all the lies we have believed and our sins. While, I was feeling this torment and I was at the end no where to turn except to him. It took me a long time before I saw it for what it is. Fear is being afraid to come to him. Which comes from the false things we have believed about him. Which is also a Spirit of not believing in his Grace and love of all humanity. He will show us where we need to be corrected. But, that is done with only in mind of correcting and changing us to believe on him. God will help you battle this. Fear is our enemy. We need to have reverance for him, but that does not happen till we really believe he is who he says that he is. I was listening to the accuser the devil who was always making me look at all my sins by trying to use the old law against me.
God had the victory over death and hell. I am so glad God brought you here. Only, God can give you understanding. Understanding, what God is doing makes us trust him and we will see all these lies of unbelief vanish.
I can feel your pain, because I have been thorugh it. You are in good hands with God. He is doing a work in you now. If, you noticed on another post I mentioned that I was going to and fro. Back and forth. That is what the devil does to try and defeat you. Greater is he who is in you, then who is in the world. We become what we focus on. If, it is fear we live a life of fear. If, we focus on all the things God is we will become like him and then the change
will take place because he will give us his Spirit. We will see he is destroying all the things that is not like he is. Fear being one of them. He replaces it with His Love that gives us peace.
I hope this helps. Only, God can take the fear away.
In His Love,
Marlene
Deborah-Leigh:
Dear Marlene
This Scripture came to mind after I read your lovely post to bring encouragement and hope to Lupac.
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, NOW is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
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