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"Human attempt at salvation"
Amrhrasach:
LOF, Part XIV
Turning Our Idols Of The Heart Into Powder
"Yes, when we fall on Christ we are broken, we are wounded (by the “sword” of God—Rev. 13:14 vs. Heb. 4:12). This is our human attempt at salvation."
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. [/color]
Can someone expand on what Ray is teaching here about “this is our human attempt at salvation”? We fall on Christ and are wounded by his word. How does this make for a human attempt? Where is the attempt at salvation?
Thanks.
Gary
Kat:
Hi Gray,
--- Quote ---Can someone expand on what Ray is teaching here about “this is our human attempt at salvation”? We fall on Christ and are wounded by his word. How does this make for a human attempt? Where is the attempt at salvation?
--- End quote ---
Our 'first love' when we are in the church and involved with all the traditions of men, this is our 'human attempt' at saving ourself. This is our spiritual house built on the sand. When that house comes crashing down and we are standing on the sand of the sea, then we see the beast within.
Here are where Ray speaks on this.
http://bible-truths.com/lake13.html ---------
Whenever someone is called of God and he repents, is baptized, confirmed, initiated, or whatever, it is into a church. And sooner or later that particular church will bring you to the point where you will leave your first love for God and turn to the church and its religion as the idol of your heart. God calls His people OUT of the Babylonish System of Religion which has a strangle hold on ‘The Church.’
http://bible-truths.com/lake14.html ----------
I showed from the Scriptures in our last installment that we only become aware of the beast when we are standing on the "sand of the sea." AFTER our spiritual house built upon spiritual sand FALLS DOWN, and WE fall down. And this is precisely why Paul tells us that the
"…day of Christ… shall not come [to US] except there come a FALLING AWAY FIRST…" (II Thes. 2:1-2).
This "fall" by the way is not a little slip or a little stumble. It is a complete and total SPIRITUAL FALL! We all come to Christ with a simple childlike innocence. But … BUT, once we are in "the church of our choice," we start to get educated in the ways of Christendom. We learn of many rules based on the unscriptural traditions of men. We delight in many of these rules and traditions (sometimes not all of them), and before we know it, our new religion sooner or later TAKES US RIGHT BACK INTO THE WORLD that we thought we came out of.
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Paul wasn’t telling the unbelieving world that "ye are yet carnal." Nor was Jesus telling the world that they had "left the first love." No, Paul and Jesus are both telling THE CHURCH that they are "yet carnal and have left their first love"! In other words, AFTER coming into a church, AFTER they have accepted Christ, AFTER they have pursued their walk with God, AFTER they have built a spiritual house upon the sand, AFTER they have become indoctrinated with the commandments of men and the traditions of men, can one fall away and be in a position to actually spiritually SEE THE BEAST WITHIN! SEE the man of sin and the son of perdition. See your carnal-minded, God hating, SINS. You and I and all who have be enlightened by God’s word and our own failures in life, can surely see that we are all spiritually, WILD BEASTS.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
Lupac:
Maybe this is my problem. I'm trying to "save myself". (Like I could...) Only God can save you. And He will.
aqrinc:
--- Quote from: Lupac on March 01, 2010, 09:56:52 PM ---Maybe this is my problem. I'm trying to "save myself". (Like I could...) Only God can save you. And He will.
--- End quote ---
Now that is wisdom Lupac, way to go, God does makes one see, when HE Is Ready. Read this passage, especially the two long sentences, wow.
1Co 1:17-31 (CLV)
17 For Christ does not commission me to be baptizing, but to be bringing the evangel, not in wisdom of word, lest the cross of Christ may be made void."
18 For the word of the cross is stupidity, indeed, to those who are perishing, yet to us who are being saved it is the power of God."
19 For it is written, I shall be destroying the wisdom of the wise, and the understanding of the intelligent shall I be repudiating."
20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the discusser of this eon? Does not God make stupid the wisdom of this world?
21 For since, in fact, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom knew not God, God delights, through the stupidity of the heralding, to save those who are believing,
22 since, in fact, Jews signs are requesting, and Greeks wisdom are seeking,
23 yet we are heralding Christ crucified, to Jews, indeed, a snare, yet to the nations stupidity,
24 yet to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ, the power of God and the wisdom of God,
25 for the stupidity of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men."
26 For you are observing your calling, brethren, that there are not many wise according to the flesh; not many powerful, not many noble,
27 but the stupidity of the world God chooses, that He may be disgracing the wise, and the weakness of the world God chooses, that He may be disgracing the strong,
28 and the ignoble and the contemptible things of the world God chooses, and that which is not, that He may be discarding that which is,
29 so that no flesh at all should be boasting in God's sight.
30 Yet you, of Him, are in Christ Jesus, Who became to us wisdom from God, besides righteousness and holiness and deliverance,
31 that, according as it is written, He who is boasting, in the Lord let him be boasting."
george ;D.
Marlene:
Lupac, that is what it is. Trying to get your own salvation is carnal. I know, I was doing it but, could not see it. Everytime , I looked at the Beast I had no peace. I got stuck on that thing. Until, God showed me what it was. Your spiritual house falls. Then the fear leaves and peace will take over.
We really do need to except that God died for our sins. They are gone. Only, our mind tells us they are still held against us.God Loves us beyond what we can understand . We have been taught lies about God and some even come from ourself. He wants us to be healed from our carnal mind. He died on that cross and we can go to him and ask him to help us overcome self.
I can tell from what you said, you are getting it now. I know without a doubt ,that when he was on the cross that was all of the worlds sins being forgivien. Something I have found out ,until we can see ourself like him, we cannot begin to overcome the carnal nature. We can say the word love, but do not even know the meaning. How can we forgive others if we do not feel that what he did on that cross was true. We believe our own lies our carnal mind tells us.
I am too bad for him. That, makes me more powerful then he is. We know, that is a lie. Once, we are able to come to him without fear, that is the begining of the change he is going to make in our carnal mind. We are not cut off from God ,Jesus Christ took care of that . Sin gives us guilt. But, God can change us no matter how bad we are. He knows when we hate our carnal mind. We have so many lies in our carnal mind only he can show us where we are wrong.
I have come to find out ,that most of what we believe has come from all the carnal things we imagine. I am sick of being stuck on the cross trying to gain my own salvation. I am seeking the Mind of Christ. He had victory over everything. We can too.
In His Love,
Marlene
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