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bambam:
Thanks Arc-you made me laugh with enthusism because you do not mince words-and neither does Ray.  Boy do they make all that look pretty-but I think it's because most people don't know any better, do they?   The blind leading the blind, and it turns my stomache to be immersed in it week after week!:/  My husband would kill me if he knew I said that.  Ugh, Lord help me to do the right thing!!!!  

Blessings,
Beth

LiberatedEagle:
Greetings Arc,

Let's see where do I begin? My mother, father, sister, brother, both of my grandma's, aunts, uncles and cousins all believe that I am totally lost. Though they haven't officially stated they God has told them to cease fellowship with me, they have express it subtly by their actions. I went out to eat with my immediate family yesterday. The disdain they have for me is so obvious. Most of my family is HEAVILY involved in Babylon serving on various auxillaries. Even when I "came out of her" about 7 yrs ago they begin to look at me differently. The pastor of the church where I grew up was beloved by so many people as he and his wife did so many "wonderful works in the name of Jesus". So, when I refer to the truths of God it really offends them because it alludes to the fact that what our pastor taught is false doctrine.

My uncle is a pastor and he's actually having church every Sunday right here in my house. He couldn't afford to keep a building so my grandmother encouraged him to have service here. He, my grandmother and other relatives think it so strange that I often talk about God and His truths, but never fellowship with them in their church service. When I told my grandmother the reason why, she thought I was literally crazy. She asks me 'Who are you? What's so special about you where God will reveal this stuff to you, but not to those who have been studying and praying to God for years? I must admit it's hard for me at times because I want my family to see that I really do love God and I desire to represent Him, but I don't believe that will happen in this lifetime. I am encouraged by the scripture where Jesus states he didn't come to bring peace, but a sword. This is just a brief account of who's turned against me because of the word of God.

Charles

Deborah-Leigh:


--- Quote ---Maybe in the coming months and years God will drag me out.  I pray He does because I am sad and discouraged there
--- End quote ---

Beth! I do not see that you are THERE in Babylon. I see  God IS dragging you out.

There is no  "maybe He will drag you out in the coming month and years!" He IS dragging you out NOW, TODAY and ever since He first introduced you to The Truth – that is the Spirit Mind and Heart of Christ His Son.

YOU are being dragged out of Babylon in Spirit.  Your body in the physical church is not where the spirit of your belief is today because you have come out.  Remember there is a church within the church. Those called OUT of Babylon are IN the Church of Christ that He is building in SPIRIT  not in the temples made with human hands. You are already in the Church of Christ as you have seen the Truth and you have recognized the Voice of Christ and the Wisdom of the Spirit of Christ leading you.
 
Joh 10:27  My sheep listen to my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
Joh 10:28  I give them the Life of the Ages, and they shall never, never perish, nor shall any one wrest them from my hand.
Joh 10:29  What my Father has given me is more precious than all besides; and no one is able to wrest anything from my Father's hand.

It is best to keep  harmony and peace between yourself and your husband. To defer and honor is your privilege to obey Christ as you suffer, pray and uphold your husband through your obedience and awareness of  Christ. We are in the Church of Christ within the world. This is our cross and Blessing, opportunity and gift - bearing  that we are appointed to do so in the silent, non-combative  acceptance and trust before God Who is doing a perfect work. 8) If yu were not suffering, then God would not be working....yet on and with you.  :)

1Co 7:13  And a woman who has an unbelieving husband--if he consents to live with her, let her not separate from him.
1Co 7:14  For, in such cases, the unbelieving husband has become--and is--holy through union with a Christian woman, and the unbelieving wife is holy through union with a Christian brother. Otherwise your children would be unholy, but in reality they have a place among God's people.

Doug


--- Quote ---IF sadly,   I was to become a castaway
--- End quote ---

Remaining humble, modest, unpresumptuous, unassuming, unpretentious, lowly and trusting not of man or before man, but of God and before Him, is surely the Way of the Lord and His gentle Spirit among us.

Thank you for your prayers. :)

Through my deepest hurts and pain, I have been lifted and most encouraged by the following Scripture.

1Co 15:19  IF IN THIS LIFE ONLY, we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

Arc

Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Charles

Your testimony is welcome and encouraging. Thank you for sharing and joining in.
 

--- Quote ---My mother, father, sister, brother, both of my grandma's, aunts, uncles and cousins all believe that I am totally lost.
--- End quote ---

After I left the Catholic Church, I just dropped off their map, here today and gone tomorrow. Poof, gone! The Catholic Church would consider me lost too but not because they know what happened, but because they don’t know. They do not know where I went or where I am today both physically and spiritually.  May they never find me again, either way. To them I prefer to remain lost and better still - invisible!


--- Quote ---they begin to look at me differently.
--- End quote ---

They say WE have changed in disparaging, accusing condemnational tones and undertones. I know. They are right. We have been changed. We were lost and now we are found. We were blind and now we can see. We were deaf and now we hear the voice of God assuring us that He is misrepresented by charlatan blind guides called our uncles aunties, brothers, sisters and earthy, worldly friends. This is part of the Planof God for us to bring us out of Babylon. We cannot change their thinking. We couldn’t change our own thinking and we cannot change theirs. That is not our job.  Only God can do new things. God only can give and bring us into a new family of His Spirit.

You say Charles, quote,...I want my family to see that I really do love God and I desire to represent Him, but I don't believe that will happen in this lifetime....

WE can see you love God Charles and you are still in this lifetime aren’t you?

You have Babylon coming to your house. Beth has to endure going there and we have a huge Church that expelled both my husband and I, being built right next door to us! These are physical aftermaths of the Babylon we have left behind. We don’t fit there anymore. We have been moved by the Spirit of God to the Spiritual Heavenly Jerusalem to which we now belong.

God is doing what He knows is best.  8)

Arc

LiberatedEagle:
Hey Arc,


--- Quote ---WE can see you love God Charles and you are still in this lifetime aren’t you?
--- End quote ---

And He streched forth His hand toward His disciples and said, Behold my mother and my brethren.[Matthew 12:49]

For whosever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother[Matthew 12:50]

I hear ya loud and clear Arc. Thank you for your labor of love towards me. You all just don't know how I long for your correspondence. I think about how Jesus emphasises loving the brethren and I just hope and pray that He teaches me how to love you all in spirit and truth and not just word or affectionate feelings carnal men defines as love. Thank You, Thank You, Thank You.

I'm so excited because I get a chance to meet my real brother, Marques, for the first time face-to-face on Wednesday. I think I'm gonna learn a little something.. :o ;D Better put I KNOW I'm gonna learn something. God is SOOO good. I thank God He has given me brothers such as you and Marques and the rest of my family here on BT and across the world. Thank You, Thank You, Thank You!!!

It's so ironic this topic is pertinent for me tonight. I just left the hospital with my grandmother and of course my uncle, a pastor of babylon, was there. I try to remain cognizant of the scripture that exhorts us not to cast our pearls before swine so I'm not as adamant with him about the truth. I just pose different questions challenging his theory of free will, but first let me state that I did NOT start a conversation with him. He invited himself into the conversation I was having with my cousin. He contradicted hisself so many times it was insane. I asked him did Pharoah have a free will? He said yes. I then asked him did he harden his heart or did God? He said God. The way he dribbled around the concept was to try to inject fear into me stating that I was playing with a very dangerous concept in regards to free will. He stated that "God does what He wants to do and it's not up to us to determine why God hardened Pharoah's heart." I wanted to say ummmm...duh ??? He then stated just know that we have to choose Him i.e He told the children of Israel in Dueteronomy, Choose you this day life or death..." I just begin to humble myself because I knew it was useless to go back and forth with him. I just nodded my head in silence. One day I believe it's not going to be as gentle a conversation. Somebody will be ready to kill somebody. I just hope the only thing I refute is false doctrine through the word of God.

You quoted, "These are physical aftermaths of the Babylon" In regards to church in my home ..etc. Can you break that down in more laymens terms? Are you saying that because we left Babylon, Babylon is now after us... :-\ LOL. I'm half-heartedly joking. I still want to hear your response.

Love ya Arc,

Charles

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