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gallenwalsh:
Were the 12 apostles called, and chosen?It seemed  to me that the apostle Paul felt pretty confident that he had a crown waiting for him and that he successfully had completed his course and was ready to die and await his resurrection to be with the Lord.  I have heard it said that one can be called and we hope to be chosen. I understand that one cannot be sure if they are chosen until the resurrection, that will be the PROOF. Raised spiritual or physical. That's pretty much black and white. My question is really quite simple though, if god has put his holy spirit in you , are you chosen ? What does that mean if God has put his spirit in you?I prefer to think that if you come up with a spiritual body in the resurrection that you are now complete. But maybe even then not complete because much time will pass before we are presented to the father.This called , chosen, and faithful stuff seems spurious at times.

Deborah-Leigh:

--- Quote from: gallenwalsh on March 07, 2010, 10:46:23 AM ---This called , chosen, and faithful stuff seems spurious at times.

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It only seems that way from a certain perspective. Judas was called but not chosen. He died unfaithful. So being called requires God's Calling. Being Chosen requires God's Spirit of obedience that makes us be found faithful though we be tried and found faithful unto death.  8)

The called and chosen "stuff" is not actually spurious.  Jesus came to tell us about the Kingdom of God and His Parables were to do with the many called and the few chosen.


Arc

gallenwalsh:
Not sure what that is supposed to mean. It sounds good.but, surely not one human being is faithful, or will ever be, as Ray has stated we are sinning MACHINES.

mharrell08:

--- Quote from: gallenwalsh on March 07, 2010, 10:46:23 AM ---My question is really quite simple though, if god has put his holy spirit in you , are you chosen ? What does that mean if God has put his spirit in you?I prefer to think that if you come up with a spiritual body in the resurrection that you are now complete. But maybe even then not complete because much time will pass before we are presented to the father.This called , chosen, and faithful stuff seems spurious at times.

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Hello Gallenwalsh,

Ray has a bible study called 'Can We Lose God's Spirit & Eonian Life?' (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,7047.0.html). As Ray shows from the scriptures, one must continue in the faith until the end.

God's spirit is the grace of God upon your heart...the grace of God teaches us to live Godly [Tit 2:11-12]. With this divine influence upon your heart, God will inspire and move you to perform 'good works' which He has ordained that you walk in [Eph 2:10].

You are right in saying that only at the Resurrection are the chosen made complete...salvation is complete and finished at the Resurrection for the Chosen as death is swallowed up in victory. It doesn't matter how much time has passed for those who are in the grave seeing as Paul said we, who are alive, will not proceed them who are sleeping in the grave [1 Thess 4:15]. Also it is Christ who presents up flawless [Jude 1:24] and He is not restricted by any amount of time passed from one's death to the Day of the Lord.


Hope this helps,

Marques

Deborah-Leigh:
All have sinned and fallen short of the mark gallenwalsh but it does not end there. God is making Sons and Daughters in the Image of His Son Jesus Christ.

We can do nothing without Him and with Him, if God be for us, who can be against us?

When Ray states we are sinning MACHINES, that is not to mean that is our destiny and final state of being. NO. God is creating us sinning machines to know the difference between good and evil. God's Will is going to prevail. God is making a family!

Hope this explains a bit better.

Arc

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