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Soul/Spirit Question
claypot:
You do see Adam and Eve as us, all of us don’t you?
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Do you think I am off base or do you know what Ray may think of what I see as Adam representing our spirit while Eve represents our soul. It is when the spirit rules the soul that all is well but when the soul rules there is carnality. I find this spiritual take very fitting with all of Scripture like when Paul talks of the husband and wife and so forth.
cp
Dave in Tenn:
--- Quote from: claypot on March 22, 2010, 05:04:09 PM ---Do you think I am off base or do you know what Ray may think of what I see as Adam representing our spirit while Eve represents our soul. It is when the spirit rules the soul that all is well but when the soul rules there is carnality. I find this spiritual take very fitting with all of Scripture like when Paul talks of the husband and wife and so forth.
cp
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With respect, Ray may think that we are not 'soul' and 'spirit' as seperate parts of our nature. God breathed Spirit into man and he became a living soul. You and I ARE souls. We don't have souls. That understood, there aren't two parts of 'us' known as Spirit and Soul to be represented by Adam and Eve.
aqrinc:
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--- Quote from: claypot on March 22, 2010, 05:04:09 PM ---Do you think I am off base or do you know what Ray may think of what I see as Adam representing our spirit while Eve represents our soul. It is when the spirit rules the soul that all is well but when the soul rules there is carnality. I find this spiritual take very fitting with all of Scripture like when Paul talks of the husband and wife and so forth.
cp
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With respect, Ray may think that we are not 'soul' and 'spirit' as seperate parts of our nature. God breathed Spirit into man and he became a living soul. You and I ARE souls. We don't have souls. That understood, there aren't two parts of 'us' known as Spirit and Soul to be represented by Adam and Eve.
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Ditto.
george ::).
claypot:
--- Quote from: claypot on March 22, 2010, 05:04:09 PM ---Do you think I am off base or do you know what Ray may think of what I see as Adam representing our spirit while Eve represents our soul. It is when the spirit rules the soul that all is well but when the soul rules there is carnality. I find this spiritual take very fitting with all of Scripture like when Paul talks of the husband and wife and so forth.
cp
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--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on March 22, 2010, 06:12:13 PM ---
With respect, Ray may think that we are not 'soul' and 'spirit' as seperate parts of our nature. God breathed Spirit into man and he became a living soul. You and I ARE souls. We don't have souls. That understood, there aren't two parts of 'us' known as Spirit and Soul to be represented by Adam and Eve.
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That’s interesting. I will have to seek further into Ray’s understanding on this matter. I have always thought of our make up as body, soul and spirit. I don’t see myself as a soul only. I am a living soul to be sure but only because something of spirit has been introduced to my physical make up. 3 components yet one unit which is me.
I, like you say Ray believes, also do not see spirit and soul as separate parts of our nature. There are no ‘parts’ only one being put forth here.
I’ve always looked at it like a light bulb. The electricity is likened to the spirit and the physical element within the bulb is likened to the physical body and when the electricity connects with the physical element in the bulb then light (soul) is produced. Just like when God made the body and then breathed into it, it became a living soul (the light came on).
What this says to me is that when any part of the 3 (not 2 as you said Dave) are gone then I cease to be me. The spirit returns to God as it says in Scripture and the body returns to the dust as Scripture indicates while the soul goes into what the Hebrews understood as a nothingness kind of like where the light goes when turn the light switch to off.
I see all 3 aspects as being me. God made me out of 3 realities and I don’t think lightly of any one of them.
And let me add Dave that what I see very clearly is not only does Adam represent spirit and Eve represent soul, I see the serpent as representing our more physical, fleshly or carnal nature. The carnal mind is enmity against God and so is the serpent.
It all lines up quite nicely but one must have eyes to see. Now don’t get me wrong, I may be completely bonkers here and if it wasn’t for this train of thought lining up so perfectly with the rest of Scripture I would dismiss it completely.
I am searching Ray’s writings to see what he has to say about all this and I tell you, from what I’ve read he comes very close but I can’t nail him down yet. Ray sees so much more than I do in so many areas. I’d love to talk with him about all this or find writings of his concerning this as I know how he loves the spiritual aspect of all of God’s words.
cp
Akira329:
Hey Claypot,
You really need to get this trinity stuff out of your head.
Check out this email response by Ray:
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,240.0.html
Dear Waylan:
It is true that we all speak of "THE soul" as if there is a separate entity inside of our body that is called "the soul." Not true. Without the spirit there is NO SOUL. Without the body there is NO SOUL. Take a blue piece if transparent plastic or cellophane. Place it half way over a same size piece of yellow cellophane. You will have blue on one side, yellow on the other, and GREEN in the middle. The blue is the body, the yellow is the spirit, and the GREEN IS THE SOUL. Notice that there is NO SOUL without the blue body and the yellow spirit. Separate the blue and yellow cellophane and the GREEN soul disappears. This is exactly how the human soul must be combined with a body and spirit, or IT DOES NOT EVEN EXIST. They are very closely related and appear to overlap, but there are distinction between soul and spirit. Understood? Good.
God be with you,
Ray
Waylan
You have to get out of out if your head the idea that the spirit soul and body are "separate entities" as if they could function independently of each other. Remember my TV analogy of six years ago? The console is the body, the picture is the soul, and the electricity is the spirit. Yes, they are "entities," if you will that have distinct names, and functions, but none of them produces anything independent of each other. Smash the console and you have not soul (picture). Pull the plug and you have not soul (picture).
Likewise remove the spirit, and the body dies. Remove the spirit and the soul disappears. Smash the body and the soul disappears. The soul IS THE SENTIENT man. The emotional, thinking, conscious man. This consciousness is called "soul." It is not a thing that can literally travel or go somewhere independent of the body and brain. That is why it is said in the Greek Scriptures that at death the soul goes to hades. Hades means the unseen, the emperceptible, unconsciousness.
It take spirit from God in a body to give it live, which life is then called "a LIVING SOUL."
It tkes a little meditation to understand these concepts.
God be with you,
Ray
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,(body) and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life(spirit); and man became a living soul(soul).
Soul is the product of body and spirit union.
I hope this helps you Claypot!
Good thread by the way!
Antaiwan
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