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Soul/Spirit Question
Kat:
Hi Claypot,
This is the link to Ray's letter to James Kennedy “God is not responsible for the eternal fate of Africans.”
http://bible-truths.com/kennedy2.htm
Near the beginning it has his explanation to 'spirit, soul and body.'
It is going to be difficult for us to teach you all that Ray has to say on the many different subjects bit by bit here. But with all of your questions that is what is being attempted. Ray has all of his articles that are just filled with the information you are seeking, so don't you think it would be much better if you were to read these articles then seek our help where you have difficulty. I hope you understand, there is so much to read, but it would be well worth your time to proceed in that direction.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Akira329:
Ok, I think I understand your analogy but what your saying here needs some scriptural support:
--- Quote ---And let me add Dave that what I see very clearly is not only does Adam represent spirit and Eve represent soul, I see the serpent as representing our more physical, fleshly or carnal nature. The carnal mind is enmity against God and so is the serpent.
It all lines up quite nicely but one must have eyes to see. Now don’t get me wrong, I may be completely bonkers here and if it wasn’t for this train of thought lining up so perfectly with the rest of Scripture I would dismiss it completely.
--- End quote ---
Also, no matter how people say it, it boggles my mind the different paths people take to make Satan our carnal mind! :(
Antaiwan
claypot:
Thanks all and I will be reading much more. I just wanted to zero in with some like minded people for a bit and it is refreshing. I'm not going anywhere for I know you all have much I need and want but I am falling behind in reading. I am halfway through one of Ray's videos on free will and I am so anxious to finish it and continue on. I know I will find many answers through reading and listening but it is very refreshing (I say again) to converse a bit.
I do have Scripture for all I have put forth or I would not put it forth and I am not saying anything about a trinity. Ray's 2 letters to Waylan are almost identical to what I just wrote here in this thread. His TV analogy is, to me, exactly like my lightbulb one. And thanks Anta, for pointing me to Ray's words on all this. I feel like you have laid spiritual gold at my feet.
I am not a soul only. I am body, soul and spirit. Take one away and I am not me. This I already wrote. These are not 3 things to me. They are 3 realities, 3 thoughts of God if you will, that make one essence.
cp
claypot:
--- Quote from: Akira329 on March 22, 2010, 08:42:15 PM ---Ok, I think I understand your analogy but what your saying here needs some scriptural support:
--- Quote ---And let me add Dave that what I see very clearly is not only does Adam represent spirit and Eve represent soul, I see the serpent as representing our more physical, fleshly or carnal nature. The carnal mind is enmity against God and so is the serpent.
It all lines up quite nicely but one must have eyes to see. Now don’t get me wrong, I may be completely bonkers here and if it wasn’t for this train of thought lining up so perfectly with the rest of Scripture I would dismiss it completely.
--- End quote ---
Also, no matter how people say it, it boggles my mind the different paths people take to make Satan our carnal mind! :(
Antaiwan
--- End quote ---
Romans 8.7 states that the carnal mind is enmity against God. Satan is enmity against God. Adam, Eve and Serpent are a perfect formula for man. Notice it was only when Eve (soul) took control of things that things went bad. Whenever the soulish nature usurps the spiritual all ‘hell’ breaks loose yet when the spiritual (Jesus) is in control all is well.
Why did Eve take control? What enticed her? A physical literal slimy little salamander? I just don’t think this is the spiritual message God intended for us. I think God was telling us that within our very make up we have a very subtle serpent (a carnal mindset) at work. It’s job is to deceive us and it does a good job.
If I have learned anything from Ray so far it is that Jesus’ words are primarily spiritual and I take that to mean all of the words of Scripture are spiritual in nature.
Just some thoughts.
cp
Dave in Tenn:
I offered the two because those are the two you mentioned.
I'm left with the question: What is soul?
Leave it to theology--especially philosophical theology--to confuse us so much that we can't even understand what we are. "Soul" is best (though maybe not perfectly) defined in maritime terms. "The ship sank with 30 souls aboard". Thirty souls were lost. Thirty sailors died.
Did the 30 souls leave their bodies when they drowned? No. Thirty souls drowned. Well then, after they drowned did they go to sheol/hades? Well, they didn't go to a place at all...not even one with a cool Hebrew or Greek name that means "Imperceptible". They "went", in a manner of speaking, to what the name means, not to a place named that.
Scripture doesn't define life, death, soul, and spirit; it describes them. You'd think we'd have enough experience with life to understand what that was, even before we understood its purpose. We can walk in much assurance from Scripture about what the 'invisible' side of dying is like. With some care, patience, and Spiritual help we can get rid of those casper-the-friendly-ghost-like doctrines and understandings of 'soul'. But we can't imagine Spirit. As soon as we think we can, that 'image' becomes by definition un-Spiritual.
If I've taught here, I'm sharing what I've come to understand by the Grace of God by way of Ray and B-T. I'm always open to correction from that source.
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