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Yab Yum:
Hi all.
A little unclear on Ray's view of repentance and free will. If i need to repent but there is no free will, what am I repenting of?
If God "set up" the Fall to inevitably occur, then that would be like me saying that I am repenting of watching the first 10 minutes of a movie.
Does this make sense?
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Yab Yum on March 25, 2010, 04:41:04 PM ---Hi all.
A little unclear on Ray's view of repentance and free will. If i need to repent but there is no free will, what am I repenting of?
If God "set up" the Fall to inevitably occur, then that would be like me saying that I am repenting of watching the first 10 minutes of a movie.
Does this make sense?
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Excerpt from Lake of Fire Part 16-D4 (http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D4.htm):
REPENTANCE: "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance" (Luke 5:32). Strong's #3341 metanoia--"compunction (for guilt), reversal." Metanoia (the noun) is from #3340, metanoeo (the verb), which means: "to perceive afterwards, implying change... the mind, the seat of moral reflection... hence signifies to change one's mind or purpose" (Vines Concise Dictionary of Bible Words.)
The very first word to humanity out of Jesus' mouth after being tempted by Satan in the wilderness was "repent..." (Matt. 4:17). And what does "repent" mean? It means to change. And what have I been teaching since we started bible-truths.com? That God is changing physical, carnal humanity into the spiritual Image of God. That's what our existence is all about. This is the purpose for humanity. This is the next goal in the plan of God. To make carnal, physical humanity into the Spiritual Image of God. It's all about change. God is going to change the entire human race. And once you understand this first word "repentance," you will understand the other spiritual and pious sounding words of Scripture. They all involve change-changing from what we are into what God is.
This word repentance sets the stage for all other commandments and admonitions regarding a change from what we are to what we should and MUST BE.
We are to turn from our carnal human nature and sin, to God's spiritual love and righteousness.
It is God Who will change us from what we are to what He is.
God is creating humanity into the very Spiritual Image of Himself (that is what it's all about).
This is the enigma of the Scriptures.
This is the great parable of the Bible.
This is the purpose for creation.
This is the destiny of mankind.
This is God's master purpose.
This will be God's greatest accomplishment.
This will be the Crowning Masterpiece of God's eternal wisdom, power, and love.
God is calling you and me to this awesome journey!
The Lord is leading everyone to repent (or change) from their carnality to the image of God. We all are sinners, we all were created such (there was no 'fall'), and the goodness of God is leading us to repent of all the carnality, sin, & death in our mortal bodies (Rom 2:4).
Free will is a myth and has nothing to do with whether or not one should/can repent. It is always the goodness of God that leads to repentance (Rom 2:4).
Hope this helps,
Marques
claypot:
I like that Marq.
I think Yab is thinking like many of us do when thinking of repenting. We think we are repenting from something we initially did wrong. But God is just saying to us to change from what we are. It's like when God says to let there be light. Light appears. God looks at us and says 'Repent' and what do you think we will do? Yes. Repent. His word does not return until it accomplishes all it sets out to do.
cp
Marky Mark:
--- Quote ---A little unclear on Ray's view of repentance and free will. If i need to repent but there is no free will, what am I repenting of?
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When we come to a point in our lives when the Spirit begins to move and to do what works need to be done in our hearts to initiate change,you'll know. When one comes to an understanding that we of ourselves can accomplish nothing and that all is of God,well,that is a very humbling experience. That is the point when I can no longer justify my sins and now God needs to step in and make me want to repent of the things that make me sin.
With all of the trails that mankind has to experience in the flesh,to me it means the humility involved in trying to overcome such humbling experiences is one of the primary ways, the Lord uses, to get His desired results, so that we can see the beast in us all, and come to a recognition of ones inner self[heart and mind] that without the pure Love of the Father we could never come to an understanding of what obeying the Lord by choice really means. We have to make the right choices in life so The Spirit can come into us and initiate and uphold His Truth.
2Pe 1:3 So has all of His divine power, that tends to life and devoutness, been presented to us through the recognition of Him Who calls us to His own glory and virtue;"
2Pe 1:10 Wherefore, rather, brethren, endeavor through ideal acts to confirm your calling and choice; for, doing these things you should under no circumstances be tripping at any time. "
Peace...Mark
Deborah-Leigh:
--- Quote ---..................... what am I repenting of?
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Hello Yab Yum
Welcome to the Forum.
If you understand what "repent" means, then perhaps you would better be able to answer your own question. :)
Ray expounds in his REPENTANCE Bible Study the following:
Repent means to turn around, to go the other way. Whatever you are doing that’s wrong and sinful and evil and carnal and worldly and everything else, you turn around, you “repent” and you go the other direction. The scriptures mention a couple of words:
Matthew 18:3 talks about being converted
Matthew 19:28 talks about being regenerated
1Peter 1:3 talks about being born again
John 3:3 talks about being born again
What are all those things? They’re all one and the same, there’s no difference. Being begotten anew, being born again, being regenerated, being converted…they are all the same. And this is what we all want to do, so that we can take on more knowledge and live more Godly, and reach this goal. We all sin.
Arc
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