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The Bible?
« on: April 29, 2010, 01:27:12 PM »

Dear Ray:

Thank you for your teaching.  I have been disturbed for some time that
God's name and character is blasphemed by the Hell Fire Doctrine but was
confused by some of the scriptures which seemed to validate it.  Thanks
again for clearing these things up.  I am greatly comforted.

One other item is really bothering me.  It seems to be undermining the
whole foundation of my faith and it is really important for me that this
gets cleared up with valid documentation and evidence, if it is even
possible. You seem to have a clear thinking, analytical mind and I'm
hoping you can clear this up for me. I do not want to be so faithless
but I am very concerned.


I have studied scripture for many years and
used to be religious but no longer have any affiliation with any
religion.  I love God and still study scripture and read articles from
spiritual writers at times.  I have been reading your articles for a few
months now.  Over the last few years I have learned that many of the
doctrines and stories found in the Christian Bible and the Jewish
scriptural texts actually preceeded these same books by hundreds,
possibly even several hundred years. That they actually came from Egypt,
Babylon and other Pagan societies and religions and that the Jewish and
Christian texts borrowed and copied from them.  If this is true, it
makes me feel that after a lifetime of belief and study that the
foundation of my faith has been ripped out from under me and that I
possibly shouldn't even trust the validity of the Bible or anything in
it.  I really don't want to believe this.  But now every time I think of
or read or even quote something from the Bible it feels like a spiritual
earthquake is shaking me off of my foundation. 


I have prayed that God
show me the truth about this very important matter.  I do still believe
in God but He is about the only thing I feel sure of any more. I know
that the scriptures say to "Prove all things " but after thousands of
years and so much confusion in history and pre-history how can we know
that our scripture is any more valid than any other religious texts. For
that matter how can we know that any religious texts are valid.  They
could all have been passed down and written by men who wished to control
other men.  Please help me with this if you can.  I need something as
concrete as your other teachings, if it is possible.


Dear Darlene:  You obviously have listened to "Zeitgeist."  Am I correct?

This video is deceiving millions for sure.  You are not suggesting (I hope) that
I can explain this video and its theories in an email.  I am considering writing
something on it in the future, if there is a future for me.  Presently I am battling
stage IV terminal prostate cancer and metastasized bone cancer.  The Cancer
Center at Providence Hospital in Mobile, gave me six months to live. That was
back in 2008.  Also, I presently have two thousand, eight hundred and twenty-two
unanswered emails ahead of yours.

I am trying to finish a paper entitled:  "HELL Is a Christian Hoax" along with
a critique of Bill Wiese's book: "23 Minutes in Hell."  I am now on page one
hundred and nine.

Zeitgeist is a long and involved topic.  The man obviously hates the very idea of
a real God, an inspired Bible, and a Messiah who died for our sins  It could take
a long time to cover properly the material on this video.  After all, I am sure it took
Peter Joseph (the author, producer, director, editor, music production,
and distributor) several years to put together, so it isn't likely that one can go
through it point by point to debunk it in a short time.

Let me just say this for your present spiritual dilemma:  There is NO solid documentation
regarding the many outlandish statements regarding Jesus being merely the resurrection
of much earlier myths of the Egyptians, Babylonians, etc.

The Zeitgeist movie makes these claims about the Egyptian god Horus:
• He was born on December 25 of a virgin (Isis Mary)
• A star in the East proclaimed his arrival
• Three kings came to adore the new-born “savior”
• He became a prodigious teacher at age 12
• At age 30 he was “baptized” and began a “ministry”
• Horus had twelve “disciples”
• Horus was betrayed
• He was crucified
• He was buried for three days
• He was resurrected after three days

But when we look for historical documentation for any of the above ten supposed
similarities between Horus and and Jesus, they can't be found. I spent a long time
writing my Lake of Fire Installment on: "The Origin of Everlasting Torment."  I studied
Egyptian history and the Egyptian gods. I even purchased several advanced books
on Egyptology.

Historically, the birth of Horus is put sometime in October-November, not Dec. 25th. And
since Jesus wasn't either born on Dec. 25, this wouldn't be a parallel anyway.

There is no "star in the east" which proclaimed the birth of Horus.

As for the "three kings" who came to adore the "new-born savior," it is an embarrassment
to Joseph's scholarship seeing that he has squalled the traditional nativity scene of
Christendom, not being aware that the wise men came into THE HOUSE to see the young
BOY, years after His birth.   

There is no historical record of Horus becoming a great teacher at age 12.

There is no record in Egypt that Horus was "baptized" and then began a ministry.

Horus had four demi-gods as they are called, for friends, but not twelve disciples.

Maybe Horus was betrayed.  Thousands of historical figures have been betrayed, but I know
of no historical documentation that says Horus was betrayed.

Zeitgeist puts the birth and death of Horus at around 3000 BC, yet crucifixion was unknown
until many many centuries later.

Horus was cut up into fourteen pieces by his enemies, and spread on the Nile River, but
I have never seen where he was buried for three days.  Likewise, there is nothing to
substantiate the he was 'resurrected" after three days.

It is also claimed that Horus was born of a virgin mother Isis-Mary in a cave manger, etc.
Actually Isis was married to Osiris and was not a virgin.  Isis of Egypt did have the title
"Mr-ee" which means "beloved," given to her, but that's a far stretch from saying her
"name was Mary." And as for the "cave manger,"  Jesus wasn't born in a cave, and Horus
was born in a swamp.

There are also many other claims of similarities between Horus and Jesus, but NOT ONE
of them is substantiated by any story, myth, or history in Egypt.  Can you now begin to see
how many distortions of the truth are presented in the rest of this Zeitgeist deception?

Such unscriptural doctrines as "Everlasting Torment" in some fiery hellhole of pain and
suffering, actually do come from places like Egypt.  But the Scriptures know nothing of
such a teaching.  It has been forced into some Bibles (like the King James, NIV, etc.),
but certainly not all translations.  Examples that do not carry the words "eternal," "hell,"
etc., would be,  The Concordant Literal Old and New Testaments, Rotherham's
Emphasized Bible, Young's Literal Bible, The Emphatic Diaglott, etc.

Look:  Here's what I would tell a person who tells me that he fears death because when
he puts his head under water for more than a minute, he can't breath, and panics.  My
advice?  DON'T PUT YOUR HEAD UNDER WATER!!  Don't read  faith-destroying
material.  These deceivers and smart and they are clever, and they understand human
nature.  They know how to deceive.  We need to heed the admonition of the apostle

Paul:  "Neither give place to the Devil" (Ephesians 4:27).

It looks like Peter Joseph was pretty much in charge of this whole deception:

Zeitgeist Addendum
Directed by    Peter Joseph
Produced by    Peter Joseph
Written by    Peter Joseph
Music by    Peter Joseph
Editing by    Peter Joseph

Very few Christians on earth are able to take on people like Peter Joseph.  These
deceivers will eat you for lunch. The same goes for trying to take to task a learned
Christian theologian.  I think that I can hold my own with the best of them, but then
again, God has been working with me and showing me His truths for many years
now, though I still have much to learn.  It is hard to build a huge and enduring structure
without a solid rock foundation.  It is your very foundation that is coming into question
for you right now.  I will try to do something with Zeitgeist in the future, God
willing, but I'm afraid it is not a priority at this time. Hope you understand, and I hope
this reply will sustain you until I can write a more detailed answer to Zeitgeist.

God be with you,


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