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The 2nd Coming, G2064 and G3952?
zee325:
Would someone explain the 2 words used G3592 Parousia and G2064 Erchomai ? The Christian world calls the Lord's coming again Parousia, some even based the secret rapture theory on it. I am new to study aid and before today I did not know G2064 is used, too. What is the difference?
GinaMilan:
Hello and thanks for your question.
I did a search for Strong's Number: g3592, but that number doesn't correspond to parousia, unless I'm missing something (I'm new to study aids myself).
(Source: blueletterbible)
Strong's g3592: "Greek: hode."
Vine's Expository:
"an adverb signifying
(a) "here" (of place), e.g., Mat 12:6; Mar 9:1; used with the neuter plural of the article, Col 4:9, "(all) things (that are done) here," lit., "(all) the (things) here;"
(b) in Mat 24:23, hode is used in both parts, hence the RV, "Lo, here (is the Christ, or) Here;" in Mar 13:21 hode is followed by ekei, "there." The word is used metaphorically in the sense of "in this circumstance," or connection, in 1Cr 4:2; Rev 13:10, 18; 14:12; 17:9. See HITHER.
G2064 Erchomai
Vines Expository:
Come, Came (See Also Coming):
the most frequent verb, denoting either "to come, or to go," signifies the act, in contrast with heko (see No. 22, below), which stresses the arrival, as, e.g., "I am come and am here," Jhn 8:42; Hbr 10:9.
See BRING, B, Note (1), FALL, GO, GROW, LIGHT, PASS, RESORT.
Have you had an opportunity to read Ray's paper, "Exposing the "Secret Rapture" Theory"?
Let me give you a link. It explains a lot. http://bible-truths.com/rapture.htm
GinaMilan:
Oh, I see. I can empathize with you. It's very difficult to un-learn something, especially if we've had a sort of kinship or special bond with those who did the teaching. May God bless you as you seek His perfect will. I'll keep ya in prayer!
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi zee325
Yes, “parousia” means “presence” rather than “coming”. The word “coming” is from the Greek “Eleusis” as in Acts 7 : 52. 1 Thes. 2:19 should read: “for who is our expectation, or joy, or wrath of glorying? Or is it not even you, in FRONT of our Lord Jesus, in His PRESENCE?”
Although it is true that Jesus has already come to us as a “Comforter,” and we are “IN CHRIST”, nonetheless, it does not yet appear what we shall be like when He returns to us and for us : 1 John 3:P1-2. ~ L Ray Smith
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Kat:
Hi Zee,
Mat 24:27 for as the lightning doth come forth from the east, and doth appear unto the west, so shall be also the presence of the Son of Man; (YLT)
I think that the church put all the Scripture that refer to Christ's return/coming/presence or whichever as a future event. We as believers have to realize that Christ has come to us NOW! That's why Jesus went around saying the kingdom is at hand.
Mar 1:15 and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel."
As soon as He died and returned to heaven and the Comforter became available, that would be the representative of the kingdom that comes into believers now. "For as the lightning doth come forth from the east, and doth appear unto the west" this is a very quick thing, just as is how Christ appear to us.
Rev 3:11 Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown.
But His return to raise those that have died and reward all the believers will be a quick and sudden thing as well.
Rev 22:12 "And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.
So Jesus' return is really now for believers, but there is a future resurrection when He appears. It will not be in secret, but every eye will see Him (Rev 1:7) and His rule and reign will begin over physical people on earth as well as throughout the heavens.
Mat 25:31 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
v. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.
When He does return of course all believers will rejoice, but it will be a terrifying thing for those who are deceived and blind and do not know Him and do not understand what is happening.
Luke 21:25 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;
v. 26 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
v. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Rev 19:11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war.
v. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself.
v. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
v. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.
v. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
v. 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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