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JOb 1: 6 The sons of God
wisdom:
Thanks kat that cleared it up a little better God bless
Joel:
Hebrews 1:4 Thus he became far greater than the angels, as proved by the fact that his name "Son of God," which was passed on to him from his Father, is far greater than the NAMES AND TITLES OF THE ANGELS.
5,6 For God NEVER SAID TO ANY ANGEL, "You are my son, and today I have given you the honor that goes with that name." But God said it about Jesus. And another time he said, " I am his Father and he is my Son." And still another time- when his first born Son came to earth- God said, "Let all the angels of God worship him."
7 God speaks of his ANGELS as messengers swift as the wind and as servants made of flaming fire;
13 And did God ever say to an Angel, as he does to his Son, " Sit here beside me in honor until I crush all your enemies beneath your feet."
14 NO, FOR THE ANGELS ARE ONLY SPIRIT-MESSENGERS SENT OUT TO HELP AND CARE FOR THOSE WHO ARE TO RECEIVE HIS SALVATION.
Joel
gmik:
why was satan amongst this group? he had clear access to the father. If these were human/messengers, I have heard prosperity (false)teaachers say, bcs Adam had given up his claim to inherit the earth-he should have been there-so satan took his place! aaaaahhhhhh! I believed that years ago- I do not now! Parable or allegory seems more likely.
G. Driggs:
I had always wondered about "the sons of God" too and Kat you were right on. It is possible for angels to be "sons of God", and Ray explains how that is possible.
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WHO AND WHAT IS JESUS? & WHO IS HIS FATHER? . . . Nashville Conference 2007
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So here were sons of God. Well why aren’t we like them then? If God made the heavens and the angels - sons of God and He made the earth. Why weren’t we made then? We have to go through all this. Well it just appears in this strange work of God, this bizarre creation of His, that He is doing something with us different.
Angels are created, they come out of God. But they are created. We are not created sons of God, nope.
Now suppose you were lucky enough that some monarch would let you live in his palace, for what ever reason. You can partake of all the goodies, have fine food, all the entertaining. Wouldn’t that be great. What if though, He made you a personal confident of his, wow. I mean somebody like the queen of England. What if a king would adopt you, as his own. Well we are moving on up the line here, now we are adopted. But what would be better yet, what if you were actually born into that family, you were literally a son of the king.
The difference between these sons of God and us, sons of God, we are going to be BORN into God’s family. I mean we are going to be real born sons and daughters of God, born. BORN! That’s what it means, it’s a much closer relationship. A little bit tougher on the requirement side though.
Now notice in Hebrews 1, we don’t want to say these things without backing them up, right.
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels…
Remember we talked about the angels called, sons of God shouting for joy and appeared before God. You know when they were talking about Job and so on. They were sons of God, angelic beings. “But unto which of the angels said he at any time, you are my son, this day have I BEGOTTEN you…” Created? No, begotten! You may not know about this Greek word, in the Greek there is no separate word for begotten and born, same word.
You got to be careful, when Christ said, “except you be born again” we are not born again. But we are begotten anew, from on high. Some of these words are left out of the KJ. It should be “we are begotten anew, from on high.” You are begotten once in the flesh from our parents. Now we are begotten anew, a new begettal from on high. And when we are born into the kingdom of God, then we are made where our flesh and blood is turned into spiritual bodies. We will be like God, brother of Christ, like God. So which of the of the sons did He ever say that? Well He said that to His Son, but He never said it to the angels.
Heb 2:10 For it became Him, for whom are all things(speaking of Jesus), and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
v. 11 For both He that sanctifieth and they that are sanctified are all of one: for which cause He is not ashamed to call them brethren,
There it is! Did He ever do this with the angels, in His original creation? Back there between the heaven and the earth, when they shouted for joy. When He put the earth in motion and started pushing it around the universe and they shouted for joy and sang? No. They were created beings. We are begotten. But remember we only have the earnest, the down payment.
Like a conception, there is not a baby until it’s born. Am I right doctor? You are a OBGYN? So Dr. Carol here knows all about what I’m talking about. When you are begotten, when there is a conception, there is no baby, yet. Not until they start to cry, then you cut the umbilical cord, now we got a human being, born.
So we will be born. There is a big difference between being purchased or being adopted and being born into royalty, born into the family of God.
Jesus Christ was born of God. I’m seeing in the scripture now, that happened when He was a human, in Mary. We got to go through the scripture and see where He came from. Jesus Christ never once said, I came out of my mother’s womb. He tells us where He came from. I can show you 10 places in scripture, where He says where He came from. Not one of them says His mother’s womb.
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Peace, G.Driggs
Joel:
Hey gmik,
Revelation 12:10, cleared that up for me.
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the Kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: FOR THE ACCUSER OF OUR BRETHEN IS CAST DOWN, WHICH ACCUSED THEM BEFORE OUR GOD DAY AND NIGHT.
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