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mharrell08:

--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on August 02, 2010, 01:15:19 PM ---Hi Marques,

I do not agree that the fruits of God's Spirit are emotions, although some do have an impact on emotions.  The fruits of the Spirit are traits of character imparted to ones soul.  For example, peace is a quality of mind and heart, but an emotion?  Long-suffering or patience is an attribute of character, but I do not see it as an emotion.  Kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control---how are those emotions?  Are they not character traits that manifest themselves in actions that can be seen rather than just an inward emotion?

Also, anger does have an emotional aspect, but it is much deeper.  There is a righteous anger, but most anger is a deep character trait that comes forth from hate.  Greed as an emotion?  Again, I think it's an evil character trait that manifests as an action rather than an emotion.

Just some thoughts.

John
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From Wikipedia page on Emotions: Emotion is a complex psychological and physiological phenomenon involving an individual's state of mind and its interaction between that individual and their environment.

John, I am only trying to understand Gallenwalsh's question, for myself as well as the other members. Depending on what one is reading from, the fruits of the Spirit are thought of as emotions as well as anger, greed, etc. I really don't care if one person or another thinks of these things as emotions or not. Actually living the fruits of the Spirit and abstaining from evil is more important to me, not what one decides to call them.

All these different things: fruits of the Spirit, emotions, works of wickedness, etc. all start in the heart, which is thought to be the seat of our emotions, in our minds. If it takes a person to look at these Godly character traits as emotions in order to fulfill them, good for them. For those who don't, as long as they are doing them, have at it. To each his/her own.


Thanks,

Marques

coryd123:
Quick question that kinda correlates with this discussion. I know that the spirit gives life (Gods spirit) but where I need understanding is do we have are OWN spirit or do we just have a soul?

Akira329:
Hey Gallenwalsh,
You can't separate the two!
We have great examples from scripture of spiritual and emotional maturity.
Mar 3:17  And James the son of Zebedee, and John the brother of James; and he surnamed them Boanerges, which is, The sons of thunder:
Why were they named "sons of thunder"?
Because of the great zeal they had! Zealousness is an action that has its origin in the heart. I can't see separating the two.
With their zeal though they were still ignorant of the things of the spirit.

Mar 9:33  And he came to Capernaum: and being in the house he asked them, What was it that ye disputed among yourselves by the way?
Mar 9:34  But they held their peace: for by the way they had disputed among themselves, who should be the greatest.
Mar 9:35  And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all.

Mar 9:38  And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
Mar 9:39  But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

(Luke 9:49-50 previous verse is the same as above)
Luk 9:51  And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,
Luk 9:52  And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.
Luk 9:53  And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.
Luk 9:54  And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
Luk 9:55  But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

Rom 10:2  For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
Rom 10:3  For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

These are some I could think of I'm sure there are more.
If you notice later in their ministries especially after conversion, their knowledge and understanding was increased and the eagerness or zeal they expressed earlier was better adjusted for the work at hand.

All this indicates to me spiritual growth and emotional growth.

The scriptures Kat posted including the fruits of the spirit have their origin in the heart.
Any action for that matter is from within:
Mat 15:18  But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
Mat 15:19  For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
Mat 15:20  These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

You cannot do any of these things whether evil or good without expressing some kind of emotion.
To argue you can do one without experiencing the other is futile.
I don't know anyone spiritually mature and emotionally immature, is it possible? Or vice versa?

Hope this helps Gallenwalsh
Antaiwan

btw Coryd123:
Your hijacking the thread, its better if you start a new one with your question.

coryd123:
Sorry did not mean to try to hijack the thread. Will re-post on different thread.

Akira329:

--- Quote from: coryd123 on August 02, 2010, 07:03:13 PM ---Sorry did not mean to try to hijack the thread. Will re-post on different thread.

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No problem, just letting you know.
It just helps people orient themselves in the thread and not to be confused when someone is inspired to ask a question from reading that same thread.

Antaiwan

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