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Why did God cause in his plan, for so many people to be deceived by the church?

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Dennis Vogel:

--- Quote from: DanTheMan on September 22, 2010, 06:32:33 PM ---So it brought me to this question..."Why does God allow so many people to be deceived by the church?"
DTM

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Another point please. God does not allow anything. Everything is according to His plan.

grapehound:
Hi Dan,

Thank you soooo much for this very searching question.
The responses are an education aren't they?


Arion

--- Quote ---For us God shows us the beast within in stages.  At least that is the way it is for me.  It isn't dumped on me all at once.
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What a loving Father !

Kat,
as always a priceless response!
More power to you!

I see the church as a fishing net that He can lift us from, kill us and clean us!

Thank y'all in Jesus.

Muchest Luv

Grape xxx

Deborah-Leigh:

Hi DanTheMan

Dennis hits the nail smack on the head. 8)

God doesn’t allow evil and good, He CAUSES everything!

We have got to get away from the "God allows certain things" mentality and syndrome. God CREATES, God DESTROYS, God HEALS, God KILLS, God CAUSES, God BRINGS ABOUT. God SAVES. God does not "allow" things that He has not foreordained to be! This popular doctrine among the religions of the world is utter unscriptural foolishness. The teaching suggests that man does things that God had no previous knowledge of, does not approve of, wishes would have never happened, but nonetheless, He "allows" them. Certainly He "allows" them in as much as He does not "disallow" them, but this still begs the question as to their true origin. God is the Creator, not Satan.
"For OF Him, and THROUGH Him, and TO Him, are all things: to Whom be glory for ever.  Amen" (KJV Rom. 11:36).
"Seeing that OUT of Him and THROUGH Him and FOR Him is all..." (Concordant Version).
Does this also include EVIL?
"That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside Me, I am the LORD, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, AND CREATE EVIL: I the LORD do ALL THESE THINGS" (Isaiah 45:6-7).
LOF 2

Ray has also expounded the following.

1Th 2:4  But as we were allowed G1381 of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts.

G1381
δοκιμάζω
dokimazō
dok-im-ad'-zo
From G1384; to test (literally or figuratively); by implication to approve: - allow, discern, examine, X like, (ap-) prove, try. e-Sword ref.

By implication, our Brother Paul was APPROVED of God, to be put in trust with the gospel.


ALL THE BIBLICAL EXAMPLES OF WHAT GOD ALLOWS
Here then are all the Biblical examples of what God “allows”:
“But as we were allowed [Gk:   ‘approved’] of God to be put in trust with the gospel…”  (I Thes. 2:4).
That’s it! That is the totality of everything in the Bible that God “allows.”
LOF Part 15 C

Likewise DanTheMan, as you say, we ARE very privileged. We are being trained to know good from evil.

Your awareness of being  in danger if you follow your rational mind to believe , accept or think above what is written in the Scriptures  is spot on, of the Spirit of Christ cautioning you!

We can only understand spiritual matters spiritually. The Spirit of Christ speaks to us through our Brother Paul saying:


1Co 2:14  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Joh 14:26  But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My Name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto YOU.

UNDERSTANDING COMES ONLY FROM THE SPIRIT L. Ray Smith LOF Part 7
ONLY GOD DELIVERS FROM BONDAGE
EVEN GOD’S CHOSEN ELECT WERE ONCE DECEIVED L.Ray Smith LOF Part 15 B

Arion :D :)

You say, Quote….the horror and repulsion is from the viewpoint of those who are not in the first resurrection..unquote

Again, apples of gold in pictures of silver!  8)

Jas 2:13  For he who shows no mercy will have judgement given against him without mercy; but mercy triumphs over judgement.

The Proverb tells us that, "For a just man falls seven times…" That’s a COMPLETE fall. But strange as it may seem, this is necessary in God’s plan. What happens to a just man after he falls seven times? "…and RISES UP AGAIN" (Prov. 24:16). When he completely falls, he falls from grace. But for those whom God is both calling AND choosing, they will RISE UP AGAIN, for
"Who are you that judges another man’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Yes, he shall be holden up [made to stand up]: for God is able to MAKE HIM STAND" (Rom. 14:4).
We will ALL FALL! But afterwards, God "raises us UP AGAIN," and "makes us STAND." And from that time onward we have this sure promise of which we read before, but I want to read again:
"Now unto Him that is able to KEEP YOU FROM FALLING, and to present you FAULTLESS before the presence of His glory with EXCEEDING JOY, To the Only Wise God Our Saviour, be glory and majesty, and dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen" (Jude 124-25)!
LOF 13

Arc

servias:
Your right Dennis and Arc,  I edited the question in the first post to remove "Allow" so its not so confusing.

I have a question for you guys that is kind of related to Daywalkers response...

Before finding BT I was not very religious, but now after knowing what is true I cannot deny this work that Ray has done,  I have studied more in the last couple of months than the rest of my life.  Its alot easier reading the bible than it was before!  I feel "DRAGGED" here and I cant leave knowing what I know.  I can't escape GOD and what he wants me to learn.  Not that I want to leave at all!  I do not know if anyone else has had a similar experience.

Kat:

Oh yes Dan, I certainly do. Of course I had been seeking truth all my years in the church, and we all know now that is to no avail. But it seems that as soon as I found the BT site I felt very compelled to study this truth as much as possible. I did not join the forum for a while, as I wanted to spend all my time, at first, studing the articles. But when I did join up here it was a means to continue with liked minded brother and sisters in searching out this truth and I am absolutely a fixture here now  :D  I seem to have an unquenchable desire to be involved in this truth in some way, either reading the articles to answer a question or searching the Scriptures for an answer. And the Bible is a living source of knowledge that I have never known in all my years, before now.

I can only hope and pray that God continues to provide this zeal inside me, because I know it is not self generated.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

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