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booker:
I have another verse i don't get.
Did Jesus say before the cock crow or before the cock crows twice?
Before the cock crow
Matthew 26:34
Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
Luke 22:34
And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.
John 13:38
Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.
Before the cock crows twice
Mark 14:30
And Jesus saith unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this day, even in this night, before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice.
Deborah-Leigh:
oops....I've seen this before booker. I mean the "pattern" of comparing the various Gospels and seductive leading to assumptions, false beliefs and speculations that are not founded in the Word of God.
I lost a dear brother over this as he went after the intriguing and seductive false teachings.
Yes you can find many differences in the accounts between Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. These, for me, prove nothing. They show only literal comparisons and actually the Word of God is Spirit and Truth. If you are looking for literal patterns and contrasts, you'll find many. Seek first the Kingdom of God and such seeking is not in the direction of finding fault, differences or seeming contradictions in the Word of God.
Stick rather to studying the Truth of which there is plenty to find in the published materials available to you on this site. :)...and let's talk about that rather! :)
Arc
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: booker on September 24, 2010, 10:02:41 AM ---I have another verse i don't get.
Did Jesus say before the cock crow or before the cock crows twice?
Before the cock crow
Matthew 26:34
Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
Luke 22:34
And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.
John 13:38
Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.
Before the cock crows twice
Mark 14:30
And Jesus saith unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this day, even in this night, before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice.
--- End quote ---
Mark 14:30 is considered a spurious passage (FYI: http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,6638.0.html), as far as the use of the word 'twice'.
Marky Mark:
There is no contradiction to speak of in the verses mentioned. Since Peter denied what he was told he would deny, before the cock crowed once, he also did it before the cock crowed twice. Although as Marques has pointed out that the word twice in Mark 14;30 is a spurious passage,{and even if it weren't}that still does not take any Truth away from what The Lord told Peter would occur,that which would have been,Peters denial.Which of course did happen, just as Jesus said it would.
Peace...Mark
Oh,and also this interesting bit of info.
Easton's Bible Dictionary
In our Lord's time the Jews had adopted the Greek and Roman division of the night into four watches, each consisting of three hours, the first beginning at six o'clock in the evening (Luke 12:38; Matthew 14:25; Mark 6:48). But the ancient division, known as the first and second cock-crowing, was still retained. The cock usually crows several times soon after midnight (this is the first crowing), and again at the dawn of day (and this is the second crowing). Mark mentions (14:30) the two cock-crowings. Matthew (26:34) alludes to that only which was emphatically the cock-crowing, viz, the second.
Joel:
Hi booker
We have more than one wittiness that Jesus spoke words to Peter that came to pass before the next dawn.
And the cock crowing is what brought the words Jesus said, back to Peter's memory and caused him to weep bitterly.
I wonder how many times the sound of a crock crowing, before Peter's death brought that night back once again in his mind?
Joel
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