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Akira329:
Hey Chris
Why is it important that Exodus 4 be a vision instead of a literal event??
Are we forgetting how this started?
Exo 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
Exo 3:3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.
How do you perceive this to be a vision instead of an literal event?
I don't think there is a problem with calling a vision a miracle.
The problem is determining a vision from a literal event? How do you know which is which when not stated?
Do we all agree that visions are not literal?
Antaiwan
markn902:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on September 30, 2010, 03:58:31 PM ---
everything can be a miracle... everything is a miracle! :)
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My three year old son picking up his toys when he is done would be a miracle! :D
thats off topic but I thought this thread could use a little humor ::)
daywalker:
--- Quote from: Akira329 on September 30, 2010, 06:33:47 PM ---Hey Chris
Why is it important that Exodus 4 be a vision instead of a literal event??
Are we forgetting how this started?
Exo 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
Exo 3:3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.
How do you perceive this to be a vision instead of an literal event?
I don't think there is a problem with calling a vision a miracle.
The problem is determining a vision from a literal event? How do you know which is which when not stated?
Do we all agree that visions are not literal?
Antaiwan
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What's up Antaiwan,
It's not really "that important" whether it was a vision or literal event. Mark asked me why I thought they were visions, and I explained why I thought that. [of course, I screwed up my first explanation, but hopefully redeemed myself in the second LOL]
In the Scripture that you presented, the segment "the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed" seems IMO to be good evidence that Moses was seeing a vision. But, maybe it was a literal fire which miraculously didn't burn the bush? I don't doubt for one moment that God could've done that. I'm starting to believe it was a vision, but I'm not asking you or anyone to agree with me, nor would I be offended if you didn't agree. Besides the way I see it, a Divine vision is just as 'real' as any literal [physical] event--if not more real, seeing that spiritual is more real than physical. In my introduction, two years ago [this month! :D just noticed, haha] i talk about a strange event that happened my life:
When I was 17, after church one Sunday, I was over at my buddy, Eric's house, and was having some "bible chat" with him, his dad, and his stepmother. Suddenly, his stepmother went into this crazy "trance" or something, (eyes rolled up, as if she was possessed, trust me I wish I was joking!!) and said "the harvest is many, but the workers are so few", then she looked at me and said, "GOD has something in store for you, I don't know what, but it is big. Keep up what you're doing, and don't lose the faith." The strangest part is that after she spoke those words, as she "came back to normal", I felt as though a wind (or Spirit??) had gone right THROUGH ME, from from front to back as if it came FROM HER... And both of us were overwhelming and short-breathed. I would say that the looks on Eric and his dad's faces were priceless, but I'm sure that mine and his stepmother's topped them... All in all, something that you NEVER forget. (I got chills just "typing" about it!)
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,8168.0.html
I wonder now if this, too, was a vision that we all experienced that day ??? Would it make it any less 'real' if it was a vision? I can assure you as a personal witness to these events, it was real. *still get goosebumps thinking about it*
...But at the end of the day, I was just sharing my thoughts on the subject. Hope this helped you understand where I was coming from. :)
Daywalker 8)
daywalker:
--- Quote from: markn902 on September 30, 2010, 06:44:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: Arcturus on September 30, 2010, 03:58:31 PM ---
everything can be a miracle... everything is a miracle! :)
--- End quote ---
My three year old son picking up his toys when he is done would be a miracle! :D
thats off topic but I thought this thread could use a little humor ::)
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As if this were some super-ultra-serious thread or something? we're just chatting far as I can tell... :)
.....................
I'll tell you all another interesting story just popped in my head while driving home from work in a crazy thunder-lightning storm here in So Cali...
Years ago, my sister woke up suddenly in the middle of the night to find our Grandpa standing over the crib of my baby niece. Grandpa looked over at my sister and smiled... Problem is, he'd been dead for nearly 5 years at the time... ??? Now, my sister isn't the type of person to go making up stories. Add to that, the fact that she can't tell this one without every hair on her arms standing up; so I'm fully convinced this happened...
Several months back my sister and I were having a chat about ghosts vs. what the bible says about death and dead people, etc. and of course, she asked me about that night she saw Grandpa. She asked me how I would explain it. I told her I believed it was a 'vision' from God sent to comfort her [which is precisely the feeling she says she got soon as the shock of 'seeing a ghost' left her].
...I mean, how else would you explain our dead grandpa standing in my sister's bedroom, other than it being a vision? ;)
Anyway, have a good one everyone; I'm calling it quits for the night :)
Daywalker 8)
Deborah-Leigh:
--- Quote from: Akira329 on September 30, 2010, 06:33:47 PM ---
I don't think there is a problem with calling a vision a miracle.
Do we all agree that visions are not literal?
Antaiwan
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Visions are not physical yet they can be relative! :D :)
Discerning the difference between what is absolute and what is relative ~ that’s not a problem, it’s impossible without the Spirit of God!
Arc
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