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Sorin:
That's a good analogy Joe. How home I didn't think of it, seeing as I'm an electrician and all. :lol:
chumkin:
dang that is a good analogy, im gonna use it, thanks!!1
peace
euty, um er i mean chumkin, dang chuckt
Deedle:
Hello,
I've been doing a study on body, soul and spirit and among many interesting things I've found are these scriptures.
Lev 21:11 (CLV)
nor to any dead soul shall he enter; even for his father or for his mother he shall not defile himself.
Num 6:6 (CLV)
All the days of his sequestration to Yahweh he shall not come near a dead soul.
Num 6:11 (CLV)
The priest will offer one for a sin offering and one for an ascent offering, and he will make a propitiatory shelter over him because of that which he had sinned concerning the dead soul. Then he will hallow his head on that day.
I did not realize a soul could be dead until seeing these.
Also in the NT the Greek noun for soul is psuchē (strongs # G5590). What I found interesting is the adjective form of the word psuchikos (strongs # G5591). It only appears 7 times in the NT. Check out its occurrences from the KJV and then from the CLV. The KJV hides it.
1Co 2:14 (KJV)
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:14 (CLV)
Now the soulish man is not receiving those things which are of the spirit of God, for they are stupidity to him, and he is not able to know them, seeing that they are spiritually examined."
1Co 15:44 (KJV)
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:44 (CLV)
It is sown a soulish body; it is roused a spiritual body. If there is a soulish body, there is a spiritual also.
1Co 15:46 (KJV)
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:46 (CLV)
But not first the spiritual, but the soulish, thereupon the spiritual."
Jam 3:15 (KJV)
This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
Jam 3:15 (CLV)
This is not the wisdom coming down from above, but terrestrial, soulish, demoniacal. "
Jud 1:19 (KJV)
These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
Jud 1:19 (CLV)
These are those who isolate themselves, soulish, not having the spirit."
I just found it very interesting how the "soulish" seems to be connected with the physical/flesh.
Deedle :)
Lightseeker:
--- Quote from: Sorin on July 06, 2006, 01:42:35 AM --- Post# 28
Also, if we consist of Spirit, body, and Soul (as three seperate entities)then verses like "...and God breathed into his nostrils the Breath of life (Spirit) and the men BECAME a living soul" wouldn't make sense, mentions nothing of God adding a soul ( as a seperate entity) to the mix. Just like you turn on your tv, the picture and sound BECAME (soul's emotions, memories...) on the screen. No?
--- End quote ---
Makes sense to me. Who was this man that became a living soul? It doesn't say and the 'spirit and body' became a living soul, it says man became (future tense) a living soul. Using Ray's soul definiton of "sentiment consciousness" and looking those definitons up in Websters we're not just talking about a brain which is only functioning as an programmed computer mechanically operating a physical system. Soul transends into a realm beyond that. An entity which has a function separate from spirit and body. And it is that individual entity of man which follows after the lust of the flesh or the lust of the spirit.
GAL 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit (lusteth) against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
What 'determines' being led of the Sspirit? Is it a choice which must come from the "soul/conscious sentiment". And is that more than than just the two opposing entities of a combined spirit and body/brain?
If it isn't a separate entity how do you explain the following verses? I know I've asked about these repeatedly because what few answers that have been given don't work for me.
1TH 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
HEB 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow (body parts), and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
If soul is merely a combination of two, why is it mentioned it in conjunction, and why worry about 'the picture' on TV if it doesn't have it's own separate....whatever...which determines...whatever? What determines the 'signal' we listen or turn to?
orion77:
Lightseeker, I am just stretching here a bit, but maybe this can shed some light.
The two verses you quoted were in the NT and speaking to believers. True believers have what in them?...the Holy Spirit.
This Spirit, which is the Word of God, the Comforter, Christ in us, is sharper than any two edged sword, able divide asunder, to discern the intents of our heart.
Not sure if this is a help. Yet, before Christ came to be in us, we were a soul composed of body and spirit, which is a soul. Then, upon Christs Spirit coming in us, now we are more than what is spoken in Genesis. That Spirit, that Word, is the Light, which is the very God of peace, which sanctifies us.
G1515
εἰρήνη
eirēnē
i-rah'-nay
Probably from a primary verb εἴρω eirō (to join); peace (literally or figuratively); by implication prosperity: - one, peace, quietness, rest, + set at one again.
G37
ἁγιάζω
hagiazō
hag-ee-ad'-zo
From G40; to make holy, that is, (ceremonially) purify or consecrate; (mentally) to venerate: - hallow, be holy, sanctify.
This oneness, with Him in us and us in Him, and us in each other, is the greatest lesson we can learn if this life. Let us be at peace with a holyness, from Him in the oneness that is between God and us, personally, towards a oneness in each other. Maybe this is what these verses speak of. Hope this helps, it helped me just looking them up. 8)
God bless,
Gary
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