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Hm...
rocky:
--- Quote from: nightmare sasuke on July 06, 2006, 10:03:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: rocky on July 06, 2006, 09:32:31 PM ---So what goes into the Lake of Fire?? Soul??
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Spirit + (spiritual) body = (glorified immortal) soul, goes into the lake of fire.
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Here is what i struggle with, Spirit (capitalized, meaning Holy Spirit) plus a spiritual body = glorified immortal soul goes into lof, but yet is carnal??? makes no sense to me. a Carnal glorified immortal soul???
The carnal mind is death. Is not the lof, the death of death??? so seems to me the carnal mind has to be in LOF
Sorin:
Deedle,
That was quite interesting. hmm...
Nightmare,
That was well said indeed. And I agree.
nightmare sasuke:
--- Quote from: rocky on July 06, 2006, 10:27:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: nightmare sasuke on July 06, 2006, 10:03:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: rocky on July 06, 2006, 09:32:31 PM ---So what goes into the Lake of Fire?? Soul??
--- End quote ---
Spirit + (spiritual) body = (glorified immortal) soul, goes into the lake of fire.
--- End quote ---
Here is what i struggle with, Spirit (capitalized, meaning Holy Spirit) plus a spiritual body = glorified immortal soul goes into lof, but yet is carnal??? makes no sense to me. a Carnal glorified immortal soul???
The carnal mind is death. Is not the lof, the death of death??? so seems to me the carnal mind has to be in LOF
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The bodies the sinners are resurrected in are immortal, that's what glorified means, I think. You can be immortally carnal, look at Satan.
rocky:
--- Quote from: nightmare sasuke on July 07, 2006, 01:47:44 AM ---
--- Quote from: rocky on July 06, 2006, 10:27:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: nightmare sasuke on July 06, 2006, 10:03:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: rocky on July 06, 2006, 09:32:31 PM ---So what goes into the Lake of Fire?? Soul??
--- End quote ---
Spirit + (spiritual) body = (glorified immortal) soul, goes into the lake of fire.
--- End quote ---
Here is what i struggle with, Spirit (capitalized, meaning Holy Spirit) plus a spiritual body = glorified immortal soul goes into lof, but yet is carnal??? makes no sense to me. a Carnal glorified immortal soul???
The carnal mind is death. Is not the lof, the death of death??? so seems to me the carnal mind has to be in LOF
--- End quote ---
The bodies the sinners are resurrected in are immortal, that's what glorified means, I think. You can be immortally carnal, look at Satan.
--- End quote ---
I personally think that the soul and carnal mind coexist together, and they only exist in the flesh (flesh plus spirit), and I don't think we are resurrected a soul. 2nd Adam is a life giving spirit, not a soul.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Is there scripture that says we will be resurrected an immortal soul??? Comparing satan to our resurrected state i don't think is a good comparison, satan never was resurrected, and I don't think satan is an immortal soul.
I just struggle with concept of a carnal soul after the resurrection. I don't think there is scripture to back it up. If there is, please let me know. thanks.
To be carnally minded is death. Are we resurrected into a state of death???
Lightseeker:
orion77
--- Quote ---The two verses you quoted were in the NT and speaking to believers. True believers have what in them?...the Holy Spirit.
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Scripture says we have a born again spirit in John 3. Is that The Holy Spirit? I don't think so because Romans says "The Spirit bears witness with our spirit...". The assumption that 'our born again spirit' is 'a holy spirit' is my present view. Being born again is like the prodigal son's father crying, "This my son was dead but now is alive." That son was never really 'dead' by our definition of dead and neither is our spirit dead until rebirth from above. A rebirth isn't a resurrection. I think scripture states our spirit in our body and The Spirit is in the corporate body and upon each of us as individual. But that's digressing from the thread.
--- Quote ---Not sure if this is a help. Yet, before Christ came to be in us, we were a soul composed of body and spirit, which is a soul. Then, upon Christs Spirit coming in us, now we are more than what is spoken in Genesis. That Spirit, that Word, is the Light, which is the very God of peace, which sanctifies us.
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What about the OT people who had the spirit of Christ in them...before Jesus came/died? Were they "more than what is spoken of in Genesis" too?
--- Quote ---This oneness, with Him in us and us in Him, and us in each other, is the greatest lesson we can learn if this life. Let us be at peace with a holyness, from Him in the oneness that is between God and us, personally, towards a oneness in each other. Maybe this is what these verses speak of. Hope this helps, it helped me just looking them up.
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Great last paragraph. Majoring on the major IMO. But.... ;)....one slight squirm for me. "Onenes with Him in us and us in Him" is right on with me. But where are you coming from concerning "us in each other"? That's a new one for me.
Nightmare,
--- Quote ---The bodies the sinners are resurrected in are immortal, that's what glorified means, I think.
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Jesus manifested a glorified body on the mount of transfiguration and then died...eg capable of death...eg mortal.
COL 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Wasn't Satan in either 'heaven or earth' in the above scripture? So is he not also reconciled?
--- Quote --- You can be immortally carnal, look at Satan.
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As concerning Satan being immortally carnal...is He not part of what will be made new if reconciled?
REV 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new.
Rocky,
Good thoughts...I think. ;D
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