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dave:
I need some confirmation of pointed in the right direction. I read somewhere in Rays writings how the Law of Circulation is incorrect. The Law says that man was a spirit in God in the beginning and that because man started there thats how man is going back something like that. Any help would be nice. Thanks
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: micah7:9 on October 29, 2010, 02:45:46 PM ---I need some confirmation of pointed in the right direction. I read somewhere in Rays writings how the Law of Circulation is incorrect. The Law says that man was a spirit in God in the beginning and that because man started there thats how man is going back something like that. Any help would be nice. Thanks
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Excerpt from 12 Truths (http://bible-truths.com/twelve.htm):
TRUTH NUMBER 1
[A] "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the Last Adam [Jesus Christ] was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is NATURAL; and afterward that which is SPIRITUAL" (I Cor. 15:45-46).
[ B ] "It is sown [first] a NATURAL BODY [a physical body which dies]; it is raised [afterward] a SPIRITUAL BODY [which is made immortal and never dies]…" (I Cor. 15:44).
[C] "Who shall change our [first] VILE BODY, that it may be fashioned like unto His [afterward] GLORIOUS BODY…" (Phil. 3:21).
[D] "If I have told you EARTHLY things [first], and you believe not, how shall you believe, if I tell you of HEAVENLY [spiritual] things [afterward]?" (John 3:12).
The sequence of God’s plan of salvation for mankind is most important—First is the physical and then comes the spiritual.
Without the knowledge of this principle of Scripture, it is impossible to understand what man is and what is his destiny. Have you not been taught that the first Adam was indeed a "quickening, living, immortal spirit," and that afterward, at the resurrection; his immortal soul will be given an ETERNAL PHYSICAL BODY? (Then there is also the ungodly doctrine called the "Law of Circularity" which teaches that we have always existed as spirits, and are now spirits having a physical experience—just the opposite of the truth).
It was the natural body of Adam that became a living soul after God breathed into him. And that living soul was subject to death (Gen. 2:17 and Ezek. 18:4 & 20). Even this simple, straight-forward truth of Scripture is universally denied.
Hope this helps,
Marques
Kat:
Here is an email that further explains that we did not exist prior to being born.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4544.0.html ------
COMMENT: Once we are born into the human family, we never go out of existence. Before Adam's creation, he DID NOT EXIST, but after his death, he still DID EXIST, albeit in the spirit that God preserved in His keeping just as He does for all that die. They cease to have conscious life, but they most assuredly "exist," else their life was of no value, and nothing would be carried over from this life into the next.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
dave:
Thanks :)
dave:
"Because, of him, and through him, and unto him, are all things:—unto him, be the glory, unto the ages. Amen!" (Rom. 11:36)
"for in Him is all created, that in the heavens and that on the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones, or lordships, or sovereignties, or authorities, all is created through Him and for Him," (Col. 1:16)
Reading these two verses it would seem to me that everything was in God in the beginning. There are some who teach that man was in God, in spirit, in the beginning and that we will all return to him.
"All the watercourses are flowing to the sea, Yet there is no filling of the sea; To the place from which the watercourses are flowing, There they return to go forth again." (Ecc.1:7)
I thought I heard Ray say or I read in his papers that is not so, that we were not in spirit at the beginning. I know I asked about this but, it sounds like we must have exsited from the start.
I am wondering about this. Thank you
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