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mharrell08:
--- Quote from: micah7:9 on November 01, 2010, 08:50:52 AM ---"Because, of him, and through him, and unto him, are all things:—unto him, be the glory, unto the ages. Amen!" (Rom. 11:36)
"for in Him is all created, that in the heavens and that on the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones, or lordships, or sovereignties, or authorities, all is created through Him and for Him," (Col. 1:16)
Reading these two verses it would seem to me that everything was in God in the beginning. There are some who teach that man was in God, in spirit, in the beginning and that we will all return to him.
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Micah7:9,
Human beings are not spirit, we are living souls. Spirit is what gives us life but is not our thoughts, emotions, consciousness, etc. Paul says that man was first made a living soul [1 Cor 15:45].
--- Quote from: micah7:9 on November 01, 2010, 08:50:52 AM ---"All the watercourses are flowing to the sea, Yet there is no filling of the sea; To the place from which the watercourses are flowing, There they return to go forth again." (Ecc.1:7)
I thought I heard Ray say or I read in his papers that is not so, that we were not in spirit at the beginning. I know I asked about this but, it sounds like we must have exsited from the start.
I am wondering about this. Thank you
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There is nothing that exists until it is created. Humans did not exist until spirit was placed into our bodies to create a living soul. We are living souls, not living spirits.
Hope this helps,
Marques
Kat:
Hi Micah 7:9,
We know that the soul is the result of the combination of body and spirit/breath and it is only with this conbination that we have a soul that gives us consciousness. When God made Adam he came into being as "a living soul" when God "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life."
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
It seems it is with this "breath of life" that people begin to have life. Job says, it was "breath" that gave him life.
Job 33:4 The Spirit of God has made me, And the breath of the Almighty gives me life.
He also states his life is a breath.
Job 7:7 Oh, remember that my life is a breath!
It seems that Scriptures says that our physical life and breath start simultaneously. So before we are breathing we do not have life, we do not exist.
Here are a few emails, there might be something in them that may help your understanding.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4544.0.html ----
COMMENT: Once we are born into the human family, we never go out of existence. Before Adam's creation, he DID NOT EXIST, but after his death, he still DID EXIST, albeit in the spirit that God preserved in His keeping just as He does for all that die. They cease to have conscious life, but they most assuredly "exist," else their life was of no value, and nothing would be carried over from this life into the next.
http://bible-truths.com/hagee1.htm ---------------------------------
God didn’t need to do anything after He breathed into him the breathe of life. It was the breath of life from God that caused the man to become a living soul. God didn’t put a soul into Adam; Adam is a living soul. The spirit of man, which God gives to every human, is like a light switch—Switch it ‘on’ and the light glows: Switch it ‘off’ and the light is dark, gone, dead. Put the spirit in the man, and the man is a living soul: take the spirit out of the man, and the man is a dead soul. Do you think that even your children could understand this Scriptural Truth?
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1675.0.html -----------
there is a spirit in man (AND ALL ANIMALS). Nothing can live without "spirit." Spirit IS life (Ecc. 8:8; Ecc. 12:7; Luke 23:46; I Cor. 2:11; etc.). There is no consciousness in our spirit alone. There is only consciousness (soul) when man's spirit is combined with a body. God retains our spirit until resurrection when He puts our spirit into a new body and we once again become conscious or receive back the quality of "soul." We are said to have new "spiritual" bodies, not that we are made "spirits."
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3253.0.html ----------
the spirit is not the soul. The spirit does not have consciousness. The spirit cannot think thoughts, and that is why our "thoughts perish" at death according to David. Our spirit as well as Christ Spirit had to be reunited with a BODY before we or He would have consciousness again. Jesus was DEAD for three days, not "absent from the body" for three days.
God be with you,
Ray
grapehound:
Na, but you might get an Oscar for best screenplay idea!
Marky Mark:
Scripture please... ;)
--- Quote ---Reading these two verses it would seem to me that everything was in God in the beginning. There are some who teach that man was in God, in spirit, in the beginning and that we will all return to him.
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In beginning,the Scripture plainly states who that beginning was, ie; The Firstfruit. All that is, came out of Him[The Creator],Jesus,the Firstfruit.
Gen 1:1 In the beginningH7225 GodH430 createdH1254 (H853) the heavenH8064 and the earth.H776
Result of search for "7225":
7225 re'shiyth ray-sheeth' from the same as 7218; the first, in place, time, order or rank (specifically, a firstfruit):--beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Peace...Mark
Shawn Fainn:
That's a pretty amazing find, Mark. You've given me a basis for some new material to write.. Thanks.
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