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lauriellen:
OMG! OMG! you have got to be KIDDING ME...so ALL that have EVER LIVED will be ressurected at the second comming of Jesus?!? i thought missing out on the 'kingdom' (eonian extermination) was the punishment of the wicked? i read thru all this material here and i completely missed this truth or just got it wrong....How could i have been so blind on this subject? the more i learn, the more i realize i don't know.... ???

AwesomeSavior:
Seems like Planet Earth is gonna be extremely crowded on Resurrection Day?

Kat:

Hi Lauriellen,

2Th 1:8 in flaming fire, dealing out vengeance to those who are not acquainted with God and those who are not obeying the evangel of our Lord Jesus Christ"
v. 9 who shall incur the justice of eonian extermination from the face of the Lord, and from the glory of His strength" (CLV)

2Th 1:8 In a fiery flame; holding forth vengeance—against them that refuse to know God, and them who decline to hearken unto the glad-message of our Lord Jesus,
v. 9 Who, indeed, a penalty, shall pay—age-abiding destruction from the face of the Lord and from the glory of his might— (Rotherham)

2Th 1:8  in flaming fire, giving vengeance to those not knowing God, and to those not obeying the good news of our Lord Jesus Christ;
v. 9  who shall suffer justice--destruction age-during--from the face of the Lord, and from the glory of his strength, (YLT)

The wicked do not enter the kingdom at Christ's return, they are case into the Lake of fire/judgement, this is as Rotherham puts it "age-abiding destruction," where as CLV has it "eonian extermination." But Jesus explains how He will separate His sheep from the goats. The goats will go to destruction/judgment/correction and His sheep will enter the kingdom.

Mat 25:46 And, these, shall go away, into, age-abiding, correction, but, the righteous, into, age-abiding, life.

Ray has explained the judgment and eonian destruction. Here are a few place he speakes of this and see if it makes more sense now.


http://bible-truths.com/lake4.html ----------------------

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to DESTROY both soul and body in hell [the Greek is "gehenna" NOT hell. It is ‘gehenna fire,’ Mat. 5:22, not ‘hell fire’]" (Matt. 10:28).

Is there no salvation from this "destruction" in gehenna fire? Notice that they are not "eternally lost" in gehenna fire, but they are "DESTROYED" in gehenna fire. Their condition is that of being DESTROYED. This is not a hopeless condition or even our own Lord would have been put into a hopeless condition.
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Notice what Job said with relation to being "destroyed":

"Thine hands have made me and fashioned me together round about; yet Thou dost DESTROY me" (Job 10:8).

Yet Job knew that God would yet save him. In Jeremiah 18 God tells Jeremiah to go down to the Potter’s house and observe him at work. Jeremiah sees the potter destroy a marred work in his hand and refashion it into something useful. This we learn is an analogy of how God would "destroy" Judah (Ver. 7), and yet save him in the end. God will refashion all of marred (destroyed) mankind into glorious sons of God!


http://bible-truths.com/email11.htm --------------------

It is a matter of timing. All Scriptures that speak of those who go the "broad way into destruction," "perish in their sins," etc., are all speaking of the NOW, this lifetime. Most of humanity have not even heard the name of Jesus Christ in THIS lifetime, THEIR lifetime.

There is coming a resurrection to REWARDS, and a second resurrection to JUDGMENT. It is in the resurrection to judgment that most of humanity will be saved. Notice what happens when the whole world is raised to God's judgments:

"When Thy Judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants OF THE WORLD will learn RIGHTEOUSNESS" (Isa. 26:9).

And trust me, God will not torture the "righteous" in an eternal hellhole of fire.

Actually there are HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS of Scriptures that point to the Salvation of ALL. I only have time and space in my papers to cover a couple dozen of them.

"Not inheriting the Kingdom of God" has absolutely nothing to do with not ever being saved. Only the CHOSEN FEW will inherit the Kingdom of God, and will rule and reign with Jesus Christ. But ALL will receive salvation in the judgment.

Be sure to read my series on "The Lake of Fire." Nearly every installment gives proof of the fact that only the FEW inherit the Kingdom, while ALL will receive salvation in the Judgment.

God be with you,

Ray

lauriellen:
Prophecies of Revelation

----------http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3912.msg29876.html#msg29876

Dear Jay:
    The answer to your question will demolish the chronology of accepted eschatology according to the Christian Church and many other cults. This subject, however, is huge and cannot be answered in a short email. Besides, when I teach it I want to teach it in context with the accompanying prophecies. The answer to your question solves many enigmas in the Scriptures and the book of Revelation.  Some of this is being covered in Part D of my HELL series. The first 20 pages or so should be posted next week. Sorry, but it would take me days to cover this subject. Hope you understand.
    
God be with you,

Ray


does anyone know if Ray ever did a paper on the correct chronology of eschatology that i could study? if not, could anyone direct me to any info
that lines up with Rays teachings in a PM? thanks

mharrell08:

--- Quote from: lauriellen on November 12, 2010, 07:27:48 PM ---does anyone know if Ray ever did a paper on the correct chronology of eschatology that i could study? if not, could anyone direct me to any info
that lines up with Rays teachings in a PM? thanks
--- End quote ---


The church teaches that the prophecies from the Book of Revelation only happen at the end of the age. This is incorrect, as Ray has shown from the scriptures that the symbols of Revelation pertain to 'what is, what was, and what is to come'.

Throughout the LOF series, you can find Ray's teachings on the seven churches, the Beast rising out of the sea, Judgment, etc.

This is my favorite email reply from Ray concerning the book of Revelation and all the 'end time' studies that are out in the world. (This is not a snipe at you Lauriellen, just what I believe a good perspective to have about these things):


----------http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1603.msg13425.html#msg13425

Dear Bruce:

What I personally believe doesn't amount to an ant hill. What we need to know is what God believes.  Let me give you a LAW that you can live with:  "If the Church teaches it, it is probably not true."  Remember that.  Jesus didn't say that "faith would increase" before He came.  Jesus asked if there would be ANY FAITH AT ALL when He returned.  I wish that all of you could come to our September Conference in Mobile, as I am going to really hammer home what the Bible says is really important for us to know and do.  Too many people are interested in prophecy and all for the wrong reasons.  If you can come to understand what it is that God desires of us, we don't need to care one iota as to when the "end" is coming. I virtually never ever think or talk or teach about WHEN the end of this age is, but rather WHAT it is that we need to be doing before it comes, and what we will be doing after Christ returns.

God be with you,

Ray


Marques

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